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PKT_VOL said:
I agree in general. In my opinion, and I think most of the board would agree, we finally have the Jimmies and Joe's to complete/not get blown out at home this year.

That creates a problem for this staff if it happens, especially considering UF last year. It becomes a pattern; not unlike Richt.
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I agree that I would be greatly disappointed with a blow out by OU. I expect a close game but think next year is the year these Jimmies and Joes will have the experience and more JJ's to give us depth to be top 10 team competing for everything. The only reason I think we have a good shot at the SEC east is because it is the weakest I think it may have ever been.
 
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Aesius said:
Butch just needs to win on Saturday. He doesn't HAVE to win and no one will care about this game if he finishes 10-2 or 9-3 and wins the East, but it would help legitimize him as a coach and also provide a bit of a "buffer" to lessen the sting of any losses down the road this season.

His SEC coaching peers win these types of games all the time. Saban just steam rolled Wisconsin with a highly talented team but one that has issues of its own. Sumlin beat ASU handily. Malzahn beat Louisville. Spurrier beat UNC by the skin of his teeth, but still pulled out the win.

It would be disheartening to go through three years of Butch Jones football and our best OOC win is Utah State or Bowling Green State.
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Oklahoma could and probably would beat all 4 of those teams you mentioned SEC peers beating.
 
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Finally getting a chance to watch the OU vs Akron game. Im halfway through the 2nd quarter, and this looks like its very favorable for us. Their OL looks weak. Akron is getting into the backfield almost every play. OU is struggling hard in the run game. Their defense looks pretty good though. The DL is getting a good push. Our offense should do pretty well against them though.

Our O vs their D looks a lot better than their O vs our D. Im so ready for this game

EDIT: From what Ive heard, OU is supposed to be a pass heavy team this year... but so far theyve ran the ball probably 75% of the time
 
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JacketVol said:
Did not say it wasn't but I am not putting him in the same class as the top coaches ever. He has a ton more to prove and last year did not help. How many down years like 7-5 did Saban, Bryant, and Bowden and guys like them had after establishing programs. Then you put him with the General. :no:
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I think only you interpreted it to mean they were the best ever. Nowhere, was that evenly remotely the context of my post.

It was merely a list of elite coaches who consistently presided over elite programs (albeit Malzahn in a shorter college career) from those who flat out underachieved despite having great talent and tools at their desposal.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I posted that in response to posters saying the OU game would in no way affect their outlook on Jones.

I merely posted a conditional situation (key phrase there), that if true, would certainly change my thoughts about CBJ and should also breed healthy skepticism from reasonable fans.

As I also posted, I don't expect the conditional situation to come to fruition. I have stated that plainly.

No "sweating it" or angst here. Merely injecting some realism into "this game is irrelevant to CBJ" crowd.
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One game doesn't make or break a season or career. Win or lose Saturday doesn't make him the greatest or worst coach ever. What happens afterwards over the enitre season does. Win against OK then lose to Fla, GA AND Arky then nobody cares about Ok anymore. Lose to OK then beat those 3 and again nobody cares about Ok anymore. It's a non conference game. It's a measuring stick game of where the program is. Is it where you think it is or is it still behind g or possibly ahead of schedule. The outcome of this game does nothing for the SEC eastern division race. That's why it's not do or die like the negavols like to think. It simply we win and the whole freaking town and city are talking Vols. Knox explodes. If we lose a tough battle that could have went either way then oh well. If we get outclassed is when and only reason you should worry.
 
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Predicting a single game against a talented opponent will show something one way or the other about a coach's career is like predicting the outcome of bowl games pre-season.

I might be concerned afterwards, I might not. I need to see the game played first.

It's not like we're playing 2011Kentucky.
 
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Barring crazy circumstances, as long as Coach Jones is able to meet or exceed what he did last year, no rational fan should want him fired. However, 7 wins or less including a couple blow outs would definitely be a red flag and warrant criticism. I think this is a non-issue though as Jones has won 2 conference championships in 4 years at each of his stops and has proven he can win. I still think we win at least 8.

As far as Richt goes, with the talent they've had, they should have owned the east from '11-'14. If UGA finally does get rid of him, I hope they go through a few Muschamp/Dooley hires before they get it right.
 
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JacketVol said:
I am the other way around. Native of Atlanta who married into a Volunteer family. Had to take care of my wife after surgery this past week but will be loud and strong Saturday in Neyland.
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I'm a native of Atlanta (live here now too) and a UT alumnus who married a GT MBA candidate.

Either way, we are both a house divided. For my wife and I, I became a GT fan and she became a UT fan. Except, of course, for 2017. A natural hatred of all thing UGA made for a natural partnership.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
One game doesn't make or break a season or career. Win or lose Saturday doesn't make him the greatest or worst coach ever. What happens afterwards over the enitre season does. Win against OK then lose to Fla, GA AND Arky then nobody cares about Ok anymore. Lose to OK then beat those 3 and again nobody cares about Ok anymore. It's a non conference game. It's a measuring stick game of where the program is. Is it where you think it is or is it still behind g or possibly ahead of schedule. The outcome of this game does nothing for the SEC eastern division race. That's why it's not do or die like the negavols like to think. It simply we win and the whole freaking town and city are talking Vols. Knox explodes. If we lose a tough battle that could have went either way then oh well. If we get outclassed is when and only reason you should worry.
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Nobody has stated otherwise. Go back and reread the exchange.
 
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RoSmitty12 said:
Has anyone bought a UT jersey from Aliexpress? Looking to get a cheap one and heard thats the place to do it
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I haven't personally, but a few buddies have. Only seen one order out of 10 or so messed up. Prepare to wait a month or two for it, though.
 
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JacketVol said:
What you can conclude is that he should be fired at the end of the season because he would not be a good coach. Taken logically, it would be mean to do so even if they went 14-1 because the blowout and the Florida loss last year is how we should judge him. Jave has went back to being pessimistic after admitting in the past that you do not know much about football. You are better than what you have been since Saturday.
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LOL? Settle down cowboy. I was commenting that the conclusion he reached of firing a coach mid-season based on what the OP said was illogical. It was a comment about logical process, literally nothing to do with football.

And I've been very positive. I said I was sticking to my 9-3, and that OU is in a worse spot than we are and I have high hopes for winning. My only negativity was that the radio guys said our WR were having trouble getting open, and that means our passing game would struggle. I've been pretty much optimistic about literally everything else, even against the negativity of his majesty LWS in regards to kmac.

I don't mind being criticized, but at least take the time to actually read what I type if you're going to do so.
 
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Enjoyed Jabari Greer on the Finebaum show a moment ago but disappointed he didn't highlight the fact we were down a co-coordinator and how much that adversely affected the secondary performance. Don't think those outside Knoxville understood how that affected our team on Saturday.
 
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I forgot Pearson didn't play the Oklahoma game last year. It's going to be shock and awe Saturday when they see how drastically different this years squad is versus last
 
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engineerVOL said:
Enjoyed Jabari Greer on the Finebaum show a moment ago but disappointed he didn't highlight the fact we were down a co-coordinator and how much that adversely affected the secondary performance. Don't think those outside Knoxville understood how that affected our team on Saturday.
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Eh, would we accept that excuse from HG if one of UF's units had a poor performance? I'm sure it hurt, but we have some things to clean up that were unrelated to Martinez' absence.

Tk will help. Berry getting his first start out of the way will help. But we gotta admit we had a problem if we're going to fix it.
 
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jave36 said:
Eh, would we accept that excuse from HG if one of UF's units had a poor performance? I'm sure it hurt, but we have some things to clean up that were unrelated to Martinez' absence.
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It mattered. All I'm saying is bring it up and and at least discuss it from the perspective he has had as a CB.
 
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Wishful thinking, but it would be awesome if Butch intentionally held back on playing Martin and he's actually much closer to being "ready" than we think. Then all of a sudden OU is facing a secondary with another guy who is almost as good as Cam out there. Would seriously screw up their offensive gameplan.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Enjoyed Jabari Greer on the Finebaum show a moment ago but disappointed he didn't highlight the fact we were down a co-coordinator and how much that adversely affected the secondary performance. Don't think those outside Knoxville understood how that affected our team on Saturday.
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He didn't make it a excuse because it is a piss poor excuse and handled wrong by CBJ.

He knew 11 weeks ago he wouldn't be allowed at the game. Plenty of time to get it figured out to avoid lack of continuity and communication. Also, you don't drop it on players hours before the game. JMO.
 
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jave36 said:
Eh, would we accept that excuse from HG if one of UF's units had a poor performance? I'm sure it hurt, but we have some things to clean up that were unrelated to Martinez' absence.
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Going from having a seasoned veteran that has been a DC a long time as your eyes on the box to a GA is a very big deal. Jancek can trust without a doubt what's Martinez is seeing but has to really think about what a GA is telling him he sees. So there is an impact. Also could have put those kids on the phone and told them the little technique issues they were having and how to fix them.

I will say the biggest deal was we really weren't helping the corners with safety help sometimes by design and sometimes Evan mistaking where he should be. OK game returns TK Jr full time along with Coach Martinez. I expect improvement. We also likely get more reps from Martin and see the playbook package opened up a little more
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Finally getting a chance to watch the OU vs Akron game. Im halfway through the 2nd quarter, and this looks like its very favorable for us. Their OL looks weak. Akron is getting into the backfield almost every play. OU is struggling hard in the run game. Their defense looks pretty good though. The DL is getting a good push. Our offense should do pretty well against them though.

Our O vs their D looks a lot better than their O vs our D. Im so ready for this game

EDIT: From what Ive heard, OU is supposed to be a pass heavy team this year... but so far theyve ran the ball probably 75% of the time
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it's probably safe to say that after they watch our game film they will try to be a pass-heavy team this week. Don't see why we didn't try two safeties and give both corners some help over the top.

On another note, I was unable to watch rest of game after the weather break. Did we have anybody dinged up?
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Finally getting a chance to watch the OU vs Akron game. Im halfway through the 2nd quarter, and this looks like its very favorable for us. Their OL looks weak. Akron is getting into the backfield almost every play. OU is struggling hard in the run game. Their defense looks pretty good though. The DL is getting a good push. Our offense should do pretty well against them though.

Our O vs their D looks a lot better than their O vs our D. Im so ready for this game

EDIT: From what Ive heard, OU is supposed to be a pass heavy team this year... but so far theyve ran the ball probably 75% of the time
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Read on their board the ratio was exactly 50/50 designed run vs designed pass. OL was bad enough to cause quite a few undesigned runs.
 
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