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PKT_VOL said:
Nope. I said nothing of the sort.

Clearly, CBJ is seen as somewhat of a savior of this program (flipping a terrible roster) and someone who can within the next 2 year get us competing for SEC and national championships.

My point is that if we get blown out by OU, taken with the UF debacle last year, the proverbial writing on the wall would be there for our fanbase that CBJ is much closer to a Richt or Fulmer (once the rest of the SEC caught up) than a Saban, Malzahn, Pete Carroll, Meyer, Bryant, Neyland, etc.

Denying such would be akin to being a UGA fan who can't bring themselves to admit that Richt will never get the job done despite all the tools in the world.

Having said all that, our fanbase should understand more than anyone that firing a Fulmer, despite their faults, doesn't not guarantee a brighter future.
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So Richt and Fulmer fit into the "not good coach" category? Helluva rating system you got there! :w00t:
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Nope. I said nothing of the sort.

Clearly, CBJ is seen as somewhat of a savior of this program (flipping a terrible roster) and someone who can within the next 2 year get us competing for SEC and national championships.

My point is that if we get blown out by OU, taken with the UF debacle last year, the proverbial writing on the wall would be there for our fanbase that CBJ is much closer to a Richt or Fulmer (once the rest of the SEC caught up) than a Saban, Malzahn, Pete Carroll, Meyer, Bryant, Neyland, etc.

Denying such would be akin to being a UGA fan who can't bring themselves to admit that Richt will never get the job done despite all the tools in the world.

Having said all that, our fanbase should understand more than anyone that firing a Fulmer, despite their faults, doesn't guarantee a brighter future.
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Good to hear. Wasn't sure where you were going with your post. That said, I'm pretty sure I can already tell you CBJ isn't Nick Saban, Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll, and he won't have those kinds of results at Tennessee. Partly because Tennessee is not Alabama, Ohio State or USC. We are great program with rich tradition, but we need to have a rational set of expectations. Our history suggests a successful CBJ will have a tenure that is much closer to that of Richt at UGA.
 
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butchna said:
Easier when you throw out the rest of the games AND the recruiting/culture reset. Overreaction is overreaction. And if we DON'T get "blown out"? Or (EGAD!) win? Whatchu gonna do with all that pent up defeatism? :dunno:
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There is no "defeatism" here. I absolutely expect us to compete and think we will win (mostly due to playing in a rockin' Neyland). Not sure I would have them winning in Norman.
 
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So if we beat Oklahoma, when is the next DOOMSDAY game? Georgia or Florida? Don't say "yes". :)
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Nope. I said nothing of the sort.

Clearly, CBJ is seen as somewhat of a savior of this program (flipping a terrible roster) and someone who can within the next 2 year get us competing for SEC and national championships.

My point is that if we get blown out by OU, taken with the UF debacle last year, the proverbial writing on the wall would be there for our fanbase that CBJ is much closer to a Richt or Fulmer (once the rest of the SEC caught up) than a Saban, Malzahn, Pete Carroll, Meyer, Bryant, Neyland, etc.

Denying such would be akin to being a UGA fan who can't bring themselves to admit that Richt will never get the job done despite all the tools in the world.

Having said all that, our fanbase should understand more than anyone that firing a Fulmer, despite their faults, doesn't guarantee a brighter future.
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This is what we were reacting to:

Originally Posted by PKT_VOL:
I don't understand the sentiment that this game has no bearing on Jones.

If we get blown out or dominated wire to wire, Jones simply isn't the coach many of us hope he is. The proverbial writing will be on the wall; great recruiter and ambassador of our program but not a good coach.
 
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butchna said:
So if we beat Oklahoma, when is the next DOOMSDAY game? Georgia or Florida? Don't say "yes". :)
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Beat OU and UF=The season is pretty much a success already

Beat OU and lose to UF=Sucks, but the OU win will make it much easier to get to 8 wins

Lose to OU and beat UF=Who cares about the OU game, the streak is over and we can win the East

Lose to OU and lose to UF=Commence meltdown
 
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Catbone said:
I get why people don't like me. I'm a despicable person, very negative all the time in everything I do. I actually hate myself for it but it's how I've been since I can remember. I'm too stubborn to change which is horrible I know. I'm sorry.
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Hey Catbone,

The group Sister Hazel has a great song
"Change Your Mind " i like its message.
Also check out Keb' Mo: "Love Yourself "

Never settle for who you are NOW if you're not happy with what you see in the mirror.

If you are happy with who you are, then don't change ...

Just my two cents :salute:
 
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VN

We have just reached our goal of $10,000 for little Ashlee!!!!

Everyone of yall are incredible. You have completely restored my faith in manKIND.

15-0
 
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butchna said:
So if we beat Oklahoma, when is the next DOOMSDAY game? Georgia or Florida? Don't say "yes". :)
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It will never end. Every game will be a doomsday game for some element of the fanbase. And there always going to be that group that will never buy into CBJ and will wait eagerly for him to inevitably fail in some key game or another so they can say "Told you so!"

Different people enjoy their teams in different ways I guess.
 
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vol2002 said:
Good to hear. Wasn't sure where you were going with your post. That said, I'm pretty sure I can already tell you CBJ isn't Nick Saban, Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll, and he won't have those kinds of results at Tennessee. Partly because Tennessee is not Alabama, Ohio State or USC. We are great program with rich tradition, but we need to have a rational set of expectations. Our history suggests a successful CBJ will have a tenure that is much closer to that of Richt at UGA.
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I'm not talking about winning 3 national championships in 4 years. That's ridiculous.

However, keeping your program consistently in the top 10, competing in every game, and winning our share of SEC championships, and semi-often competing in the national playoffs is what the latter share in common.
 
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butchna said:
This is what we were reacting to:

Originally Posted by PKT_VOL:
I don't understand the sentiment that this game has no bearing on Jones.

If we get blown out or dominated wire to wire, Jones simply isn't the coach many of us hope he is. The proverbial writing will be on the wall; great recruiter and ambassador of our program but not a good coach.
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Yep. That's what I was reacting to.
 
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vol2002 said:
It will never end. Every game will be a doomsday game for some element of the fanbase. And there always going to be that group that will never buy into CBJ and will wait eagerly for him to inevitably fail in some key game or another so they can say "Told you so!"

Different people enjoy their teams in different ways I guess.
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If we can't predict the end of the world how can we enjoy that same world? :loco:
 
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After Saturday, Auburn goes to 3rd in west Imo. 1st team in conference doesn't beat Louisville by 7. I hope they beat GA, I thought they would for sure before I saw them play. Not so sure now.
 
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If Butch keeps up the same level of recruiting, he won't really need to be an elite coach. He will win some big games based on talent disparity alone. There aren't many teams out there that have a roughly fifth-ranked class average ranking over 4 years, which is where I'd put us after NSD 2017.
 
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butchna said:
This is what we were reacting to:

Originally Posted by PKT_VOL:
I don't understand the sentiment that this game has no bearing on Jones.

If we get blown out or dominated wire to wire, Jones simply isn't the coach many of us hope he is. The proverbial writing will be on the wall; great recruiter and ambassador of our program but not a good coach.
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Would you prefer I use the adjectives "gameday" or "x's and o's" to further describe what I meant by "coach"?

I figured by compartmentalizing coach, from recruiting and ambassador of our program (I include off the field issues in that too by the way), I implied such. My apologies if I confused some.
 
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chavisut said:
If we start 4-0, I can't even even.
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PKT_VOL said:
Maybe so. If you take last year's UF game and a blowout loss at home to OU, I don't know how a reasonable fan would conclude that we have a coach capable of taking us where we eventually want to go.
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Most reasonable fans would wait for it to actually happen before sweating it out. Get the crappy thoughts out. Judge the coach after the season this year and not after one game regardless. If we blow OU out and then go 6-6, would that mean they were the best coaches of all time because we blew them out. You take them one at a time and then you judge the entire body of work. Wait till year 3 is DONE then decide. That would actually be prudent.
 
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Aesius said:
If Butch keeps up the same level of recruiting, he won't really need to be an elite coach. He will win some big games based on talent disparity alone. There aren't many teams out there that have a roughly fifth-ranked class average ranking over 4 years, which is where I'd put us after NSD 2017.
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UGA fans have thought the same for awhile yet are shocked and amazed when they **** the bed.

There is no doubt that recruiting will somewhat cover coaching deficiencies. We have seen that in our program as well.
 
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jave36 said:
I think it's a pretty fantastical leap in logic to conclude that from his statement lol
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What you can conclude is that he should be fired at the end of the season because he would not be a good coach. Taken logically, it would be mean to do so even if they went 14-1 because the blowout and the Florida loss last year is how we should judge him. Jave has went back to being pessimistic after admitting in the past that you do not know much about football. You are better than what you have been since Saturday.
 
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