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Reagan also supported Planned Parenthood during his time, too. In fact majority of republicans did then. Does that bother you that Reagan supported the research from PP to help find a cure in Alzheimer's? Wonder what changed their minds to not support it over the years. Maybe to be more PC to get voter support? Whatever...

After reading a couple of the agreeing posts above your last one, I am curious. What kind of a world would all of you like to live in? Which republican candidates do you favor in the upcoming election? Why do you want your president to be so strongly religious and why that makes him a great candidate to lead the immense diversity of the American people?

I am fascinated by your way of thinking, vol4us, Ogbaby, volssam and others that I read more than post. Were you raised this way? Or did you find religion on your own? There's so many people in the world today that it's progressing aggressively at a rapid pace. It just seems to be so incredibly hard to be conservative now. Do you find yourself judging more people today than ever? I'm just curious. I have no idea what it's like to think and live life your way...

These are excellent questions, as are the rest.

I was raised in church by believing parents. Naturally you would think this is why I'm a Christian, but that's not the case since my parents can't save me. It wasn't until I was 15 that I was saved, and it wasn't until well into college that I made my faith my own. In fact, there are things that my parents and I disagree on, but those are minor in the grand scheme of things.

On the topic at hand, I won't actively support anything that goes against my Christian beliefs, but I can't worry if a portion of my Disney purchase goes to support Planned Parenthood, for example. I see my mom doing this and getting bitter about it at times, so I choose the path that leads to joy.

There is a seemingly increasing amount of evil in the world, but it's not my job to change everything or to judge. I can only change that which God allows me the opportunity to change. My faith is in Him, His sovereign rule, and His providence. I trust that even in an evil world with bad things so prevalent all around us, God is in control and calling out to us to run to Him. God calls me to be the light and the salt of the earth. It is not my light, but His that shines through me. Therefore, I can't judge anything but rather be reflecting His glory. It's His love and grace that gives me hope in people. In fact, it is through an evil world that His grace can shine the brightest.

Sorry to be long-winded, but the questions don't lend themselves to a quick response.
 
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I'm not sure I can live in a country who elects Donald Trump. Hell, I'm not even sure I want to be involved in a country where someone like him is a serious candidate.

Do you really honestly think any of these other weasels are better candidates just because they're better liars? Most of these scumbags only tell you what the poll numbers tell them too. They think most of America is too stupid to know the difference. It's laughable to think that any of these people will ever know what it is like to be an average American or to know what we deal with trying to make ends meet and raise a family; these pieces of crap have to prep on the price of a gallon of milk or the price of a dozen eggs because they are completely disconnected with the cost of living. Trump is a complete ass but for some reason he strikes me as the most honest of the candidates.
 
Reagan also supported Planned Parenthood during his time, too. In fact majority of republicans did then. Does that bother you that Reagan supported the research from PP to help find a cure in Alzheimer's? Wonder what changed their minds to not support it over the years. Maybe to be more PC to get voter support? Whatever...

After reading a couple of the agreeing posts above your last one, I am curious. What kind of a world would all of you like to live in? Which republican candidates do you favor in the upcoming election? Why do you want your president to be so strongly religious and why that makes him a great candidate to lead the immense diversity of the American people?

I am fascinated by your way of thinking, vol4us, Ogbaby, volssam and others that I read more than post. Were you raised this way? Or did you find religion on your own? There's so many people in the world today that it's progressing aggressively at a rapid pace. It just seems to be so incredibly hard to be conservative now. Do you find yourself judging more people today than ever? I'm just curious. I have no idea what it's like to think and live life your way...

Great questions, 74.

With the quote of Reagan I did not intend to represent him in his totality as doing or saying nothing but Christian things. We all know that would not be true. The quote was an observation of the mentality of those that oppose life occurring at conception. The active Christians that actually read the Bible regularly and order their lives to live the life will still make huge errors in judgment at times. It is during those times that we should recognize the mistake, confess it and turn from it; or we call into question our beliefs. A Christian may have aborted or led a another person to abort a child without even realizing the implication. Once the person realizes the error, it is at that point there must be reconciliation with God for there to be forgiveness and restoration of the relationship. FWIW, I had a dearly loved, close family member die of dementia after a 10+ year battle that my wife and I cared for almost daily during the later years. So we understand the medical/ethical quagmire that exists relating to research on the issue.

Many of us believe the Bible to be inerrant and inspired by God. There are many scriptures that lead to the conclusion that life begins at conception. Jeremiah (1:5) writes of God saying "before I formed thee, I had destined thee for the prophetic office before thou wert born..." Others that have accepted Christ do not comprehend the scriptures that way. Some see the book as historical with the acceptance of Christ as the Messiah as the common denominator of all Christians. I am in the former camp because of the choices and events of my life, but do not judge others that are in the later group. I simply trust the Lord and his promises for all. Which includes unborn children in the womb in my view. As a practical matter, the child has done nothing to deserve the fate of death regardless of the events that led to conception. Most that see the child as matter and not a living being with a soul and personhood, see life from a naturalist viewpoint. I do not. I see life as purposed from the Creator.

I have not formed a final opinion on the Presidential candidate I support at this point. I listen closely to their comments and use the authority of the scripture as my guide to the decision. I believe a Christian candidate is capable of also being competent in matters of government, finance, international affairs, war, etc. By this selection process I have a better understanding of how he/she will make decisions and govern. The choice is ours. I am neither a pure capitalist or have socialist leanings. I understand the role of government. I just see that role as more limited to oversight and protection oriented than activist on social issues and such.

My personal experience was being raised in church, falling away in the teenage years as my family disintegrated as a functional unit due to the excesses of my parents; then returning as I left college with a denomination that was more cerebral in their approach. But I still hungered for a relationship with God because the emotions, logic and knowledge were not satisfying my soul as I attempted to cope with the world and life. At around 40 years old, I underwent great emotional, family and career crises that drove me to my knees and were as a result of my bad choices. It was either curse God, go the route of the world, and die; or confess and repent with total sell out to him. I chose the later. It made all the difference. I know him personally as my Lord and Savior now and seek to walk his path. I make many mistakes, but I am now reconciled with a peace that will lead me to his arms when I pass from this world. I am now the servant leader of my family and home. I have recently left the denomination due to their direction on social issues and view of the Bible and am now a member of a church that believes as I believe. My career flourished as I made decisions based on his will instead of the world - until the employers chose otherwise, at which time I would leave as he prepared me for another challenge. I am now retired and giving back. He chose to restore my life to more than I could imagine. However, I had to be willing to "be raised up or brought low" for him. That agreement will continue forever.

Sorry for the length of this post. I knew no other way to respond.
 
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I'm not sure I can live in a country who elects Donald Trump. Hell, I'm not even sure I want to be involved in a country where someone like him is a serious candidate.

It's way too late to be ashamed. Electing a Marxist in Obama twice kind of stole that thunder. We live in a post-constitutional cartoon land. Trump is just riding that wave. I'm going to vote for Ted Cruz anyway.
 
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Great questions, 74.

With the quote of Reagan I did not intend to represent him in his totality as doing or saying nothing but Christian things. We all know that would not be true. The quote was an observation of the mentality of those that oppose life occurring at conception. The active Christians that actually read the Bible regularly and order their lives to live the life will still make huge errors in judgment at times. It is during those times that we should recognize the mistake, confess it and turn from it; or we call into question our beliefs. A Christian may have aborted or led a another person to abort a child without even realizing the implication. Once the person realizes the error, it is at that point there must be reconciliation with God for there to be forgiveness and restoration of the relationship. FWIW, I had a dearly loved, close family member die of dementia after a 10+ year battle that my wife and I cared for almost daily during the later years. So we understand the medical/ethical quagmire that exists relating to research on the issue.

Many of us believe the Bible to be inerrant and inspired by God. There are many scriptures that lead to the conclusion that life begins at conception. Jeremiah (1:5) writes of God saying "before I formed thee, I had destined thee for the prophetic office before thou wert born..." Others that have accepted Christ do not comprehend the scriptures that way. Some see the book as historical with the acceptance of Christ as the Messiah as the common denominator of all Christians. I am in the former camp because of the choices and events of my life, but do not judge others that are in the later group. I simply trust the Lord and his promises for all. Which includes unborn children in the womb in my view. As a practical matter, the child has done nothing to deserve the fate of death regardless of the events that led to conception. Most that see the child as matter and not a living being with a soul and personhood, see life from a naturalist viewpoint. I do not. I see life as purposed from the Creator.

I have not formed a final opinion on the Presidential candidate I support at this point. I listen closely to their comments and use the authority of the scripture as my guide to the decision. I believe a Christian candidate is capable of also being competent in matters of government, finance, international affairs, war, etc. By this selection process I have a better understanding of how he/she will make decisions and govern. The choice is ours. I am neither a pure capitalist or have socialist leanings. I understand the role of government. I just see that role as more limited to oversight and protection oriented than activist on social issues and such.

My personal experience was being raised in church, falling away in the teenage years as my family disintegrated as a functional unit due to the excesses of my parents; then returning as I left college with a denomination that was more cerebral in their approach. But I still hungered for a relationship with God because the emotions, logic and knowledge were not satisfying my soul as I attempted to cope with the world and life. At around 40 years old, I underwent great emotional, family and career crises that drove me to my knees and were as a result of my bad choices. It was either curse God, go the route of the world, and die; or confess and repent with total sell out to him. I chose the later. It made all the difference. I know him personally as my Lord and Savior now and seek to walk his path. I make many mistakes, but I am now reconciled with a peace that will lead me to his arms when I pass from this world. I am now the servant leader of my family and home. I have recently left the denomination due to their direction on social issues and view of the Bible and am now a member of a church that believes as I believe. My career flourished as I made decisions based on his will instead of the world - until the employers chose otherwise, at which time I would leave as he prepared me for another challenge. I am now retired and giving back. He chose to restore my life to more than I could imagine. However, I had to be willing to "be raised up or brought low" for him. That agreement will continue forever.

Sorry for the length of this post. I knew no other way to respond.

Vols4us, may I ask what congregation do you worship with now?
 
Thanks for the replies and the honesty. It gives really good insight on your personal journey through life. And plenty to think about. I may not agree on everything, but the one common factor is we're all die hard Vol fans. And that's the best part...
 
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GO VOLS!!! I'm going to the opener in Nashville, and hopefully Oklahoma the following week, Lord willing. Maybe one more later in the year.
 
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Do you really honestly think any of these other weasels are better candidates just because they're better liars? Most of these scumbags only tell you what the poll numbers tell them too. They think most of America is too stupid to know the difference. It's laughable to think that any of these people will ever know what it is like to be an average American or to know what we deal with trying to make ends meet and raise a family; these pieces of crap have to prep on the price of a gallon of milk or the price of a dozen eggs because they are completely disconnected with the cost of living. Trump is a complete ass but for some reason he strikes me as the most honest of the candidates.

Everyone lies. That's not what bothers me. He has a long history of being incapable of humility. He constantly degrades people. He's a racist... a bigot... no sense of civic duty... only cares for himself. He's never held any public office at any level... completely unqualified. He doesn't exhibit one positive special quality. And yet here we are.

Oh, and if you're a republican (I am not), he's basically extorting your party by threatening to run independently. So much for democracy.
 
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Everyone lies. That's not what bothers me. He has a long history of being incapable of humility. He constantly degrades people. He's a racist... a bigot... no sense of civic duty... only cares for himself. He's never held any public office at any level... completely unqualified. He doesn't exhibit one positive special quality. And yet here we are.

Oh, and if you're a republican (I am not), he's basically extorting your party by threatening to run independently.


I personally don't think he will be the nominee and don't really care for him, but he is saying some things right now that need to be said.
 
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Everyone lies. That's not what bothers me. He has a long history of being incapable of humility. He constantly degrades people. He's a racist... a bigot... no sense of civic duty... only cares for himself. He's never held any public office at any level... completely unqualified. He doesn't exhibit one positive special quality. And yet here we are.

Oh, and if you're a republican (I am not), he's basically extorting your party by threatening to run independently. So much for democracy.

Agree. I'll never understand the republican love. Unless you're part of the 1% or just really rich. Republicans are so out of touch with reality in today's world that it's unbearable to hear them speak about anything. Trump is just rambling about nothing that gets him support, but he'll never get elected. He's a buffoon. Cruz, Rubio, Walker are completely crazy. No way they'll be elected. The Republican Party has been a joke for so long, how could anyone from middle class, poor support them. Well there's not much middle class anymore. Just rich or poor. This election is going to be a wild one...
 
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Agree. I'll never understand the republican love. Unless you're part of the 1% or just really rich. Republicans are so out of touch with reality in today's world that it's unbearable to hear them speak about anything. Trump is just rambling about nothing that gets him support, but he'll never get elected. He's a buffoon. Cruz, Rubio, Walker are completely crazy. No way they'll be elected. The Republican Party has been a joke for so long, how could anyone from middle class, poor support them. Well there's not much middle class anymore. Just rich or poor. This election is going to be a wild one...

Ah yes because Hillary and the Dems are completely in touch with reality.
 
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Thanks for the replies and the honesty. It gives really good insight on your personal journey through life. And plenty to think about. I may not agree on everything, but the one common factor is we're all die hard Vol fans. And that's the best part...

Your welcome - and GO VOLS! :hi:
 
These are excellent questions, as are the rest.

I was raised in church by believing parents. Naturally you would think this is why I'm a Christian, but that's not the case since my parents can't save me. It wasn't until I was 15 that I was saved, and it wasn't until well into college that I made my faith my own. In fact, there are things that my parents and I disagree on, but those are minor in the grand scheme of things.

On the topic at hand, I won't actively support anything that goes against my Christian beliefs, but I can't worry if a portion of my Disney purchase goes to support Planned Parenthood, for example. I see my mom doing this and getting bitter about it at times, so I choose the path that leads to joy.

There is a seemingly increasing amount of evil in the world, but it's not my job to change everything or to judge. I can only change that which God allows me the opportunity to change. My faith is in Him, His sovereign rule, and His providence. I trust that even in an evil world with bad things so prevalent all around us, God is in control and calling out to us to run to Him. God calls me to be the light and the salt of the earth. It is not my light, but His that shines through me. Therefore, I can't judge anything but rather be reflecting His glory. It's His love and grace that gives me hope in people. In fact, it is through an evil world that His grace can shine the brightest.

Sorry to be long-winded, but the questions don't lend themselves to a quick response.

Well said, brother. Thanks for your post.
 
Consider me a Marco Rubio fan. Guy is sharp. I also liked what Ben Carson had to say.

But I don't think it will matter, unfortunately. I feel like Trump is the only one who could beat Hillary for President. And if people like Rubio, Walker, or Santorum somehow get the nod in the GOP, they won't beat Hillary.

Jeb Bush is a snake. Same people that are funding Hillary, are funding him.

One last thing, Bobby Jindal out of LA, is a guy who has done some good things. I don't think he'll be highly involved in this election... even as a running mate. But he needs to stick with it.
 
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Agree. I'll never understand the republican love. Unless you're part of the 1% or just really rich. Republicans are so out of touch with reality in today's world that it's unbearable to hear them speak about anything. Trump is just rambling about nothing that gets him support, but he'll never get elected. He's a buffoon. Cruz, Rubio, Walker are completely crazy. No way they'll be elected. The Republican Party has been a joke for so long, how could anyone from middle class, poor support them. Well there's not much middle class anymore. Just rich or poor. This election is going to be a wild one...

I respectfully disagree with almost all of that. I don't care for the Republican leadership right now, as they are liars who pretend to oppose communist, I mean Democrat policies, but Ted Cruz and Walker are not crazy. They are a breathe of fresh air. Perception is everything I suppose. That class warfare BS is getting old, though. Democrats aren't rich, self serving, cronies but somehow all Republicans are? I don't think so. That is a recycled propaganda lie told to teenagers by old Marxist, former hippie teachers who themselves were taught to loathe their parents and bring about a Marxist revolution. I don't know how a self respecting American can continue to support a Godless, communist, hate normal America agenda of the Democrat party. That transcends economic status. Furthermore, while the economy is weak and I don't believe in "class" labels, I think you're about to find out how many "middle class" voters still exist in this country when they finally throw out the communist party. My children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for all the debts and misdeeds of our current and past leadership with their labor and/or their blood. It's my goal and our responsibility to limit that burden. Our children deserve better, and by better I don't mean more government programs.
 
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I respectfully disagree with almost all of that. I don't care for the Republican leadership right now, as they are liars who pretend to oppose communist, I mean Democrat policies, but Ted Cruz and Walker are not crazy. They are a breathe of fresh air. Perception is everything I suppose. That class warfare BS is getting old, though. Democrats aren't rich, self serving, cronies but somehow all Republicans are? I don't think so. That is a recycled propaganda lie told to teenagers by old Marxist, former hippie teachers who themselves were taught to loathe their parents and bring about a Marxist revolution. I don't know how a self respecting American can continue to support a Godless, communist, hate normal America agenda of the Democrat party. That transcends economic status. Furthermore, while the economy is weak and I don't believe in "class" labels, I think you're about to find out how many "middle class" voters still exist in this country when they finally throw out the communist party. My children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for all the debts and misdeeds of our current and past leadership with their labor and/or their blood. It's my goal and our responsibility to limit that burden. Our children deserve better, and by better I don't mean more government programs.
Most people just regurgitate the rhetoric fed to them by liberal professors now and think they're informed. Anyone that speaks out against social welfare or entitlements is automatically branded with some stigmatic label by the media. People are too damn distracted to see what is happening.
 
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Trump isn't even a real conservative

I agree. Within 2 years ago, he was pro-choice and had several other liberal ideologies. Now, he's pro-life and he's full conservative. Please....

The only reason Trump is liked, is exactly what Carly Fiorina said in the debate the other night.

I think he'll flame out though.
 
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Ah yes because Hillary and the Dems are completely in touch with reality.

Never mentioned them. But thanks for trying. I don't trust Hilary either. Seriously you can't trust a politician period. But the dems are way more in touch with what's going on in the world today than republicans by far. But we'll never agree, no biggie...
 
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I respectfully disagree with almost all of that. I don't care for the Republican leadership right now, as they are liars who pretend to oppose communist, I mean Democrat policies, but Ted Cruz and Walker are not crazy. They are a breathe of fresh air. Perception is everything I suppose. That class warfare BS is getting old, though. Democrats aren't rich, self serving, cronies but somehow all Republicans are? I don't think so. That is a recycled propaganda lie told to teenagers by old Marxist, former hippie teachers who themselves were taught to loathe their parents and bring about a Marxist revolution. I don't know how a self respecting American can continue to support a Godless, communist, hate normal America agenda of the Democrat party. That transcends economic status. Furthermore, while the economy is weak and I don't believe in "class" labels, I think you're about to find out how many "middle class" voters still exist in this country when they finally throw out the communist party. My children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for all the debts and misdeeds of our current and past leadership with their labor and/or their blood. It's my goal and our responsibility to limit that burden. Our children deserve better, and by better I don't mean more government programs.

Hey, if you're worried about the debt your children will have to pay, then here's a few stats:

* 95% of the economic gains since the recession have gone to the top 1% (you know, the people we spent trillions of dollars bailing out)
* about 30% of American adults earn less than 10k in a country where the mean wealth per adult is 300k
* a single family has as much wealth as the bottom 40% of American families

This isn't class warfare... it's downright robbery at a massive scale. Workers have higher production today than any point in our history and yet they receive virtually none of the benefits from their surplus. You want to talk about what is immoral? How about the trillions of dollars that have already been robbed from 99% of Americans?

It's worse, though. America is in danger of being nothing more than a conglomerate of corporations. Elections are bought in our country (thanks Citizens United). Democracy is over. And with it, our best hope to change the status quo.
 
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Consider me a Marco Rubio fan. Guy is sharp. I also liked what Ben Carson had to say.

But I don't think it will matter, unfortunately. I feel like Trump is the only one who could beat Hillary for President. And if people like Rubio, Walker, or Santorum somehow get the nod in the GOP, they won't beat Hillary.

Jeb Bush is a snake. Same people that are funding Hillary, are funding him.

One last thing, Bobby Jindal out of LA, is a guy who has done some good things. I don't think he'll be highly involved in this election... even as a running mate. But he needs to stick with it.

Rubio is good, but I think his past immigration stances such as the gang of eight will prevent him from winning the primary. Walker has a legit shot. Carson has a legit shot although no experience at all. Santorum is solid but just can't get traction. Cruz has a legit shot. Jeb Bush and John Casich should be running as Democrats because that's what they are. As far as the general election goes I think you and some others such as my own father are giving too much credit to Hillary. I think a tomato can could beat her this cycle. The Democrats have had office for 8 years. It's almost inevitable that people will swing back right. It's cyclical. That's why so many Republicans are running. They know the time is now. Heck, even the Democrat party doesn't like Hillary. They threw Obama in there out of nowhere last time, and I believe they'll be another internal split between her and someone else before it's over. Hillary has ultra high negatives, a bland personality, no accomplishments, many enemies, and more scandals than Rod Blagovich and Anthony Weiner combined. Her claim to fame is not divorcing the President when he got caught with an intern so they could maintain and grow their political power. She said on tape that her heroes were Margaret Sanger and Mao. I challenge people who think Republicans are racist to look up Margaret Sanger and then tell me how it is that Hillary can call that woman a hero and not be a racist on some level. Eugenics. Ugly thing.
 
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