'16 TN F John Fulkerson (UT commit 11/6/15)

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bleedingTNorange said:
It's a bigger named school than any offer you hold, no? I would guarantee if Clemson offered you in basketball you'd be singing from the rooftop, yet this kid works hard which according to you is all it takes to make the NBA, and you wanna downplay his near 20 D1 offers? Not jealous are you?

As far as Clemson being a big name, whether you want to admit this or not, which I already know you won't, Tennessee's history is not all that much better.
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Agree to disagree on Tennessee/Clemson.

Both have one Elite 8. After that Tennessee nearly doubles them up. 7-4 on Sweet 16s. 20 to 11 on NCAAs. AND if you compare recent history, Clemson hasn't been in the S16 since 97. Tennessee has been there 5 times since then. Tennessee is a much better BB program than Clemson.
 
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germanicus said:
Agree to disagree on Tennessee/Clemson.

Both have one Elite 8. After that Tennessee nearly doubles them up. 7-4 on Sweet 16s. 20 to 11 on NCAAs. AND if you compare recent history, Clemson hasn't been in the S16 since 97. Tennessee has been there 5 times since then. Tennessee is a much better BB program than Clemson.
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Better yes, and I said so upfront, much better, I disagree. Add in the offer from Georgia today and it's pretty clear that HM coaches believe much more highly of him than you do, same as Grant Williams. I'm gonna guess that these 2 offers in the last 2 days also won't be his last offers from HM, so further evidence I'm sure will become available.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Better yes, and I said so upfront, much better, I disagree. Add in the offer from Georgia today and it's pretty clear that HM coaches believe much more highly of him than you do, same as Grant Williams. I'm gonna guess that these 2 offers in the last 2 days also won't be his last offers from HM, so further evidence I'm sure will become available.
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I'll admit a Clemson offer impresses me more than Georgia. Will be interesting to see with whom the young man actually signs.

Those are both tworking programs which Tennessee should always keep in the rear view mirror.

In the SEC, Tennessee should be recruiting against UF, LSU, Auburn (now that Pearl is there) and - occasionally - UK. MSU comes and goes.
 
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germanicus said:
I'll admit a Clemson offer impresses me more than Georgia. Will be interesting to see with whom the young man actually signs.

Those are both tworking programs which Tennessee should always keep in the rear view mirror.

In the SEC, Tennessee should be recruiting against UF, LSU, Auburn (now that Pearl is there) and - occasionally - UK. MSU comes and goes.
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Again, if Fulkerson is the lowest rated recruit in a 5-7 man class I've got zero issue, if he's the headliner I'll be the first one complaining, that's been my stance since day 1. You look at the 5-7 man classes other SEC/ACC/Big 12 etc teams sign, and there typically is 1-2 guys at least who may be guys lower rated but the staff likes their long term potential....Kyle Alexander was one just this last class, no?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I absolutely think certain players that's ok to do, you don't do it with a dime a dozen kid, but 6'9" athletic guys who can handle the ball don't grow on trees. There are plenty of examples around the college game where guys are brought in and are developed, not given big rolls in year 1 & year 2, but by year 3&4 are leaned on pretty heavily. Regardless, seems like there's not much room for people to question his talent as that's how 2 power 5 offers in as many days, already looks better than the bigs Tyndall brought in.
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You absolutely NEVER should recruit a player you hope develops into a number 6-7 guy for you as a senior.

You are going to miss on kids plenty and have to work like crazy to develop them into that role but you darn sure don't recruit guys knowing that is their ceiling.
 
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BruinVol said:
You absolutely NEVER should recruit a player you hope develops into a number 6-7 guy for you as a senior.

You are going to miss on kids plenty and have to work like crazy to develop them into that role but you darn sure don't recruit guys knowing that is their ceiling.
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I didn't say one time your recruit them knowing that's their ceiling, you're making assumptions as usually, I'm saying if that's all they became that's fine.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I absolutely think certain players that's ok to do, you don't do it with a dime a dozen kid, but 6'9" athletic guys who can handle the ball don't grow on trees.
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Your words not mine when asking you to clarify your post about recruiting a player that you know would play 8min as a junior and then break into the 6-7 slot as a senior.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Again, if Fulkerson is the lowest rated recruit in a 5-7 man class I've got zero issue, if he's the headliner I'll be the first one complaining, that's been my stance since day 1. You look at the 5-7 man classes other SEC/ACC/Big 12 etc teams sign, and there typically is 1-2 guys at least who may be guys lower rated but the staff likes their long term potential....Kyle Alexander was one just this last class, no?
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Kyle Alexander was the product of a whirlwind Spring recruiting effort where the staff was scrambling to fill holes, not the result of a normal recruiting year. He's also a 6-10 shot blocker with a frame to add all the weight he'll need, not a 165 pound kid with a narrow frame. But yes, large classes typically include a reach or two. Usually, though, they come in the Spring.

Jenkins likely is the kry to this class. I ran the 247 calculator and a class of Bone, Williams and Fulkeson leaves you outside the usual scoring range for top 50. Adding Jenkins gets you around mid-30s. Not great, but at least middle of the pack SEC, instead of bringing up the rear.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Would you be ok with Derek Reese if he was the 13th scholarship player, never saw the floor until year 3, say averaged about 8mpg junior season, and year 4 was the 6th or 7th man coming off the bench getting 15mpg as a senior?
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I'm never ok with us recruiting a Derek Reese type of player
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't think so, that would mean he's going to sign him guys he hasn't offered/evakuated/invited to campus/or watched in July, doesn't seem likely to me. When you look at the board I think the Vols are favorites for Bone/Williams/Fulkerson...and are very real players for Wright/Jenkins/Bkackwell/Ekiyor/Fernando/Okogie/Cameron...so I think they definitely can land those first 3 and 2-3 off that next list.
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I will hold my opinion until I see what we end up with but a starting point of Bone, Williams, and Fulkerson sucks imo
 
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germanicus said:
Jenkins likely is the kry to this class. I ran the 247 calculator and a class of Bone, Williams and Fulkeson leaves you outside the usual scoring range for top 50. Adding Jenkins gets you around mid-30s. Not great, but at least middle of the pack SEC, instead of bringing up the rear.
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Yes, Blackwell/Jenkins/Wright(he's gonna rise)/Hunter(same)/Fernando(same) are key, gotta land one of those top 100 guys
 
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germanicus said:
Bone and Williams are Top 150 in one service 247. Not ranked by ESPN, Scout, Rivals or Future 150. Pretty good players, but Barnes clearly needs to step it up in the next class.
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Agree. It's been a little surprising. I just assumed he would only go after 4 star, and higher rated 3 stars.
 
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vols 30 said:
Agree. It's been a little surprising. I just assumed he would only go after 4 star, and higher rated 3 stars.
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I suspect they have and haven't (as yet) made much headway. May be a good year to hold onto a couple of scholarships for the Spring signing period.
 
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vols 30 said:
Agree. It's been a little surprising. I just assumed he would only go after 4 star, and higher rated 3 stars.
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Expectations like this are likely going to fall short at Tennessee under any coach.

That's why IMO having a coach that is an on the court developer of talent, a true X/O strong coach is of the upmost importance. We simply don't have a coach with that reputation and that's why I am very worried
 
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BruinVol said:
Expectations like this are likely going to fall short at Tennessee under any coach.

That's why IMO having a coach that is an on the court developer of talent, a true X/O strong coach is of the upmost importance. We simply don't have a coach with that reputation and that's why I am very worried
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I'm sorry to bring his name up, but Bruce successfully recruited highly rated recruits with a mix of lower rated players. It worked out. So, I know it can be done here.
 
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vols 30 said:
I'm sorry to bring his name up, but Bruce successfully recruited highly rated recruits with a mix of lower rated players. It worked out. So, I know it can be done here.
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The timeline of that success is important. Don't think he came in and recruited at that higher level until after he had the SEC a buzz with a few overachieving teams that excited everyone
 
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BruinVol said:
Expectations like this are likely going to fall short at Tennessee under any coach.

That's why IMO having a coach that is an on the court developer of talent, a true X/O strong coach is of the upmost importance. We simply don't have a coach with that reputation and that's why I am very worried
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I'm not saying Barnes is an x's and o's god or anything, but you don't have the success he has had over several programs he has coached by being a bad floor coach. Especially at Providence and Clemson. He didn't inherit a great situation at Texas either, he built the program from the ground up. Barnes is a good recruiter and will get players here but I'm not sure what people's expectations for this class were? The Tennessee basketball program isn't at place right now where top rated players are knocking down the door to play here. I predict he will sign a good class for 2016, I also predict we do better than expected this season and the 2017 class we sign will be really good. My final prediction is that if he signs here Fulkerson will become a fan favorite.
 
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JohnnyD1024 said:
I'm not saying Barnes is an x's and o's god or anything, but you don't have the success he has had over several programs he has coached by being a bad floor coach. Especially at Providence and Clemson. He didn't inherit a great situation at Texas either, he built the program from the ground up. Barnes is a good recruiter and will get players here but I'm not sure what people's expectations for this class were? The Tennessee basketball program isn't at place right now where top rated players are knocking down the door to play here. I predict he will sign a good class for 2016, I also predict we do better than expected this season and the 2017 class we sign will be really good. My final prediction is that if he signs here Fulkerson will become a fan favorite.
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I spent some time in Texas this summer and fair or not the biggest thing a lot of Texas fans said was Barnes success is centered around being the most talented team and that he rarely out coaches his opponent on game day.

Not the most glaring endorsement of his on court coaching from the fans I spoke with.
 
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