Von Pearson Update

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vol66 said:
Volunteering your DNA with so much on the line is significant, no? Leg to stand on comes to mind...as in the DA didn't have one, right? What Leg does UT have to stand on when you compare Williams/Johnson to Pearson?
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I already posted that a half hour ago.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
UT doesn't operate exactly like the legal system. Student disciplinary board. Plus the Feds are snooping around. And the Tennessean is stirring up ****. And a faction of the "Lady Vols" are putting on the pressure. Cheek is a weak leader. Von's not in the clear just yet, but the Hubbs comments are encouraging.
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The feds snooping around as you say, the way UT has operated in this case, as you say, the Tennessean article you are referencing, as you say... ALL point to one individual and yes...the leadership...for lack of a better phrase, needs to get a grip.

Documentcloud is a great source, but I suspect every journalist around these parts is filing FOIA's so fast heads are spinning.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Whether or not the accusers are in school could be a factor whether or not UT allows the various accused students to be in school or not.
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I disagree, completely. There is a criteria for an Interim Suspension. Period. Danger to the Campus Community.

Now if two guys indicted for two counts of aggravated rape aren't a danger to campus regardless of whether the accuser remains...

I'm sorry TGO...going all the way back to the Fulmer era, I don't recall anything remotely like this.

Pearson is being used as a political football and Vince Carilli should have to meet Pearson in the Circle of Life drill and if Von somehow loses they should give him an unconditional release, and if he wins Carilli, sorry if I'm spelling it wrong, should resign.

Sounds completely ridiculous, yeah I know. They should lift the suspension and if they don't I hope they get what they deserve.

I have appreciated the debate this evening from all parties, but time to hit the hay, see yawl tomorrow.
 
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vol66 said:
I disagree, completely. There is a criteria for an Interim Suspension. Period. Danger to the Campus Community.

Now if two guys indicted for two counts of aggravated rape aren't a danger to campus regardless of whether the accuser remains...

I'm sorry TGO...going all the way back to the Fulmer era, I don't recall anything remotely like this.

Pearson is being used as a political football and Vince Carilli should have to meet Pearson in the Circle of Life drill and if Von somehow loses they should give him an unconditional release, and if he wins Carilli, sorry if I'm spelling it wrong, should resign.

Sounds completely ridiculous, yeah I know. They should lift the suspension and if they don't I hope they get what they deserve.

I have appreciated the debate this evening from all parties, but time to hit the hay, see yawl tomorrow.
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I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong. I'm saying that that might be why UT is keeping VP off campus but allowing Johnson and Williams to continue taking classes.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong. I'm saying that that might be why UT is keeping VP off campus but allowing Johnson and Williams to continue taking classes.
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They could clear it up, they will say they can't...cowards, hiding behind an act that is supposed to be for the benefit of the students, but they are using it to avoid explaining their actions.

If I am wrong, I'll be here and the medicine I will take.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
However something entirely different could have happened too. We don't know and probably will never know.
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And you could have beaten your wife silly after you got done snorting crack at the strip club tonight. We don't know and probably will never know. But one thing is sure--you probably did something bad.

Brave Volunteer said:
All the "cloak and dagger" everybody's out to get poor Von conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous.
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Pot, kettle.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
UT's position isn't a legal matter. Yet.
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The fact that the school is withholding the ability for him to participate in classes (which is a part of the benefit of his scholarship) when he has been legally cleared of wrong doing is a joke.

I understand the school has code of conduct items that are different from the law, but they threw that argument out the window when they let Williams and AJ participate in classes.
 
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vol66 said:
They could clear it up, they will say they can't...cowards, hiding behind an act that is supposed to be for the benefit of the students, but they are using it to avoid explaining their actions.

If I am wrong, I'll be here and the medicine I will take.
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They also have privacy rules to follow.

We still don't know what VP did that night. The rape kit was negative and the DA is dropping it... but VP may not be totally home free until the statute of limitations is up. Hey lawyers... can charges still be brought later or have the authorities closed it for good?
 
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BruinVol said:
The only logical answer is there was an act committed by VP after the original incident that caused the "victim" to have real fear on camPus. Perhaps he threatened her or something similar

Now if that or something similar didn't happen then your thinking here is correct but it could have happened which would explain the discrepancy
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Typical for you to come up with something "hypothetical" and just believe it like its the only logical thing. Actually the most logical thing has been posted. Which is that he did something that was unbecoming and they have to make sure they follow the new rules and Title IX. We don't know what he did, we know it wasn't criminal so far, but that's it.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
There's no proof of any CRIMINAL activity. However that doesn't mean there wasn't conduct unbecoming and that's exactly what the university is going to take a long hard look at. People get suspended from school and off of sports teams all the time for doing things that aren't illegal in the eyes of the law. I don't know why so many here are having such a hard time grasping this.
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This!!
Why is this so hard to understand... We don't know what he did, if anything but these are the facts.
 
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Face said:
The fact that the school is withholding the ability for him to participate in classes (which is a part of the benefit of his scholarship) when he has been legally cleared of wrong doing is a joke.

I understand the school has code of conduct items that are different from the law, but they threw that argument out the window when they let Williams and AJ participate in classes.
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Kids get kicked out of school for far less serious things than being charged with rape. The question might be why were Johnson and Williams allowed to stay rather than why has VP been denied. Rules change too. Maybe the Johnson and Williams decisions were made and then something changed causing VP to be kept away. Length of time as a student in good standing could be a factor as well. AJ Johnson had been a student for about 4 years, VP for less than one.

On Basilio today, somebody suggested that maybe UT just wants VP to go away and is willing to pay a settlement to make it happen.
 
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CWGvol said:
This!!
Why is this so hard to understand... We don't know what he did, if anything but these are the facts.
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We know what he did not do and that happens to be what was alleged. Again, "we are gathering facts"...he's still a member of the football team, he's on the roster you can check...you can also "check" to see if Michael Williams is still in school...and BTW type in Lavon Pearson and you get a blank screen.

What else is there?

It seems like some can't believe the truth, that the University can make mistakes. They have.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Kids get kicked out of school for far less serious things than being charged with rape. The question might be why were Johnson and Williams allowed to stay rather than why has VP been denied. Rules change too. Maybe the Johnson and Williams decisions were made and then something changed causing VP to be kept away. Length of time as a student in good standing could be a factor as well. AJ Johnson had been a student for about 4 years, VP for less than one.

On Basilio today, somebody suggested that maybe UT just wants VP to go away and is willing to pay a settlement to make it happen.
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Ther's a million hypotheticals that can be generated and imagined to make sense of the situation.

i think it should be a lot simpler than that.

He's legally cleared. he wasn't found not guilty at a trial, he was found as clean in terms of the law as you can be when accused of a crime.

I'm hoping ericvol's post earlier proves to be true, as his info has been spot on, and this is all a charade to help UT win the PR battle. If it isn't, there's a problem.
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
A "second chance" implies he did something wrong and there is no PROOF that he did. See that's what you seem to miss...there is no PROOF!!! Ever think maybe SHE got pissed about something, had to much to drink and MADE CRAP UP?????????????? There is such a low burden of proof to FILE CHARGES and there wasn't enough that here. GET OVER YOURSELF. This has been a crap case for too long and we need to move the heck on.
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Actually he's right.... He didn't say he knows if he did anything wrong. Do you? No... but you and the other people making this argument are the ones acting like you do. The university will figure it out and make the right decision. You do not want to violate Title IX or the new rules of conduct, which don't have to be criminal by the way. One player is not worth the disciplinary actions that would bring to us. AND ONCE AGAIN... I'm not saying he did anything, we don't know what he did. All we know is that he didn't commit a crime. There's just way more to it than that.
 
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Face said:
Ther's a million hypotheticals that can be generated and imagined to make sense of the situation.

i think it should be a lot simpler than that.

He's legally cleared. he wasn't found not guilty at a trial, he was found as clean in terms of the law as you can be when accused of a crime.

I'm hoping ericvol's post earlier proves to be true, as his info has been spot on, and this is all a charade to help UT win the PR battle. If it isn't, there's a problem.
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What? The school has lost the PR battle, you should have heard Hubbs, Hyams and Wilkerson today and they were being conservative, they could give no explanation.
 
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vol66 said:
What? The school has lost the PR battle, you should have heard Hubbs, Hyams and Wilkerson today and they were being conservative, they could give no explanation.
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Not the Knoxville PR battle, the "we are not FSU PR battle." Not saying i agree its the right strategy either... they botched it all the way around.

see his post if you want to know more.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Sure would be nice if he's practicing tomorrow and this thread gets deleted.
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We agree on that. If there is a reason he is not, then the University should tell him why he is not, which seems to be the only question he and his attorney have asked so far, at least publicly.
 
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Face said:
Not the Knoxville PR battle, the "we are not FSU PR battle." Not saying i agree its the right strategy either... they botched it all the way around.

see his post if you want to know more.
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Coach Jones has not made the mistakes of Jimbo Fisher, at least yet and I don't think he will, this is not Winston and the University, one office in particular, needs to do the right thing or be made to suffer public scrutiny until they see the light.

Based on what we know, that is to say maybe (this is me being open to the existence of unicorns and santa), there is something the school has that NO ONE ELSE HAS...admit the mistake and move on.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
They also have privacy rules to follow.

We still don't know what VP did that night. The rape kit was negative and the DA is dropping it... but VP may not be totally home free until the statute of limitations is up. Hey lawyers... can charges still be brought later or have the authorities closed it for good?
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To my knowledge, the only thing that would bar criminal charges being brought in the future would be double jeopardy attaching, or the SOL running.

Depending upon which sexual crime could be charged, there are statutes of limitations that might be as much as 15 years, or so. Double jeopardy would, at a minimum, require a jury being sworn. Neither of those has been satisfied in this case, so I would imagine the DA is free to reopen the investigation, or to submit the case to the grand jury at any time.
 
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