Von Pearson Update

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Ericvol2096 said:
Trust me I'll be shocked if he's not practicing this weekend/next week.
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I've heard "sometime this week" for weeks now. If he's not back by the first practice I think I'm just going to have to mentally write him off to set the expectation for myself. If he does come back, it will be a nice surprise, but the team begins their practice for the first game Tuesday. If Von isn't practicing, I think it's safe to say he isn't playing this season.
 
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Volinnooga said:
What was your view of Jameis Winston continuing to play after the rape allegations? Were you (like me) critical of for continuing to let him play? It worked out for FSU but it isn't, imo worth the risk.
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Of course not. The kid was never charged with anything. There was never any tangible evidence against him. It was simply the word of a young woman against him. Now I don't claim to know what really happened. All I know is it was he said she said. And like I stated many times already in this thread. I'm not one of those people who thinks its a good idea to punish people based on SUSPICION. Jameis Winston may have raped her for all I know. However, just because I think that happened doesn't mean he should get punished for it. At the end of the day FACTS MATTER. And until facts emerge pointing toward a person's guilt, they should not be presumptively punished. PERIOD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Of course not. The kid was never charged with anything. There was never any tangible evidence against him. It was simply the word of a young woman against him. Now I don't claim to know what really happened. All I know is it was he said she said. And like I stated many times already in this thread. I'm not one of those people who thinks its a good idea to punish people based on SUSPICION. Jameis Winston may have raped her for all I know. However, just because I think that happened doesn't mean he should get punished for it. At the end of the day FACTS MATTER. And until facts emerge pointing toward a person's guilt, they should not be presumptively punished. PERIOD.
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Facts matter when you know the FACTS. In the absence of said knowledge, you need to tread lightly. It sucks to lose a game because of the absence of an important suspended player. DEVASTATING to win a championship with a eventually convicted rapist! Don't see many replays of OJ's USC teams...and there was a huge gap in that chain of events. Winston ends up convicted of raping that girl? We would never hear mention of that championship. Forest for the trees.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Of course not. The kid was never charged with anything. There was never any tangible evidence against him. It was simply the word of a young woman against him. Now I don't claim to know what really happened. All I know is it was he said she said. And like I stated many times already in this thread. I'm not one of those people who thinks its a good idea to punish people based on SUSPICION. Jameis Winston may have raped her for all I know. However, just because I think that happened doesn't mean he should get punished for it. At the end of the day FACTS MATTER. And until facts emerge pointing toward a person's guilt, they should not be presumptively punished. PERIOD.
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So AJ and Williams should have finished playing the games that were played prior to the date they were charged--right? Or perhaps they should have played all year since thy haven't yet been convicted, is that what you are saying?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Unless the accused was your son.

Anyone can play that game. Like I said, in situations like this, people are quick to rush to conclusions. I simply believe that rather than placing ourselves in the place of the victim or the accused, we take an objective position of ignorance. We don't know what happened. And until we do no reason to change the status quo. There is no reason to put a young man (who might be innocent) in limbo simply because someone said they did something wrong.

The legal system definitely doesn't put someone in jail after mere accusations and then let them out once they are cleared. It seems as though people want to make it social policy that employers or in this case college football programs pretty much put the kid in jail and then only let them out if they are cleared. That is clearly contrary to everything this country's legal system is supposedly based on.
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I agree. However, institutions of higher learning aren't bound by the same procedures as courts of law. Students/student athletes voluntarily "join" a university and agree to adhere to that institutions policies. If said student runs afoul of a policy, he or she can be dealt with however the institution sees fit, without regard to the law. Right or wrong, that's how it is. Best thing to is keep your nose completely clean. More than likely there is more than meets the eye in this, and other cases. Universities have lawyers and don't take away privileges on a whim.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
I agree. However, institutions of higher learning aren't bound by the same procedures as courts of law. Students/student athletes voluntarily "join" a university and agree to adhere to that institutions policies. If said student runs afoul of a policy, he or she can be dealt with however the institution sees fit, without regard to the law. Right or wrong, that's how it is. Best thing to is keep your nose completely clean. More than likely there is more than meets the eye in this, and other cases. Universities have lawyers and don't take away privileges on a whim.
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You give schools way too much credit. These issues will be litigated more and more in the very near future.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Spoken like someone who's never worked in the legal system.
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Agreed. I have been wrongfully arrested twice in my own house. Once was the officers fault (reamed by the judge for arresting someone because a pretty blonde cried), second was a government employees fault (paperwork not being filed appropriately got me arrested). My lawyer got me $1500 awarded after the second :)
 
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So...Andrew Darago has the inside scoop on this and Brent Hubbs doesn't?

Hasn't he reported bad info multiple times in the past or am I thinking of someone else?
 
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Aesius said:
So...Andrew Darago has the inside scoop on this and Brent Hubbs doesn't?

Hasn't he reported bad info multiple times in the past or am I thinking of someone else?
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No... You got the right guy.
 
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So now its no Von at practice Friday, and because of the federal investigation into UT, UT will not let him back even if there are no charges?
 
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They do not expect any charges to be filed. Von not being reinstated seems to be a internal UT issue. I'm just passing information as it comes.
 

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Question, can he file suit against UT if they don't let him back in if it is found he didn't do anything? I have no idea
 
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Darago is literally the only person reporting that the federal investigation is preventing VP from rejoining the team.

Which might be true to some extent, but if the DA gets new evidence tomorrow and declines to press charges, there's no way he's not reinstated, regardless of any investigation occurring.
 
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Aesius said:
So...Andrew Darago has the inside scoop on this and Brent Hubbs doesn't?

Hasn't he reported bad info multiple times in the past or am I thinking of someone else?
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Sounds like Duragos trying to stir up a controversy that isn't there. Now is he correct that since the case has been pending that UT wouldn't let him back on the team due to it not being fully resolved? Yes. But the second his name is 100% cleared hell be back practicing almost immediately.
 
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doctorchoice said:
Limbo: The Strange Case of Von Pearson | Blank Newspaper

This story on something called blank news says that this happened at Hodges Library. This leads to this question; Did Von Pearson whip it out in the library?
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"We reached out to Pearson Saturday, to try and finally sort out reality from rumor. The player directed questions to his lawyer, Chris Coffey. So we asked Coffey why Pearson had been neither charged nor reinstated as a student?

“That’s a great question. I’d like to know, myself” said Coffey. “My client has done everything he’s been asked to do.”

Great. Even the attorneys are perplexed by this limbo.
 
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Aesius said:
So...Andrew Darago has the inside scoop on this and Brent Hubbs doesn't?

Hasn't he reported bad info multiple times in the past or am I thinking of someone else?
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Nope. He's the ****wad that was acting like Malone was a locker room cancer that wanted to transfer. He was rightfully called out and shamed...you would think he'd learn.
 
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butchna said:
Facts matter when you know the FACTS. In the absence of said knowledge, you need to tread lightly. It sucks to lose a game because of the absence of an important suspended player. DEVASTATING to win a championship with a eventually convicted rapist! Don't see many replays of OJ's USC teams...and there was a huge gap in that chain of events. Winston ends up convicted of raping that girl? We would never hear mention of that championship. Forest for the trees.
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I don't care about the games or what other people say. I care about JUSTICE. And maybe this is why we don't see eye to eye. We have different views on what justice is. You seem concerned about making sure those who are guilty get punished. I personally care more for about making sure the innocent don't get wrongly punished.

Just look at it this way. What worse? Having an innocent person suffer in jail? Or having a guilty individual escape punishment? I say the innocent being wrongly accused is alot worse than some guilty folks slipping thru the system. And that is how the American Justice System is supposed to work. It makes it very hard to find people guilty. Because one of the values of our justice system is that we care more about preventing injustice in putting the innocent in jail than we care about making sure every guilty person is punished.
 
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