'15 TN TE Kyle Oliver (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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As far as the attrition, I can't remember who but someone said to expect some this summer.

Bowlingreenvol, I understand what you are saying. However, I think it is clear Butch was trying to get as many of his guys on campus as possible in his first couple years and may have reached on some. Those that are on the edge athletically seem to have a much tighter rope. Like Nick and volatil I was never thrilled with this commit and am looking on the positive side that it is another scholly for 16
 
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govols09 said:
As far as the attrition, I can't remember who but someone said to expect some this summer.

Bowlingreenvol, I understand what you are saying. However, I think it is clear Butch was trying to get as many of his guys on campus as possible in his first couple years and may have reached on some. Those that are on the edge athletically seem to have a much tighter rope. Like Nick and volatil I was never thrilled with this commit and am looking on the positive side that it is another scholly for 16
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I think this is something CBJ is ahead of the game on. I think you'll start seeing a lot of coaches us blue shirts for kids who have character or academic concerns. It's a great way to hedge your bet.
 
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Difference between kiffin cleaning house was he cleaned house on a depleted roster with the expectation that he would fill it in recruiting. He left before he could do that and his only recruiting class about 95% didn't finish school. With Butch he has signed two very large signing classes so attrition has to happen. He has built the depth and APR to the point that now if someone isnt on the train he can tell them to get out.
 
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SSVol said:
85 scholarships, up to 25 per year, up to 5 years of eligibility...attrition is normal, expected, and required.

As for evaluations, a huge chunk of folks date for years, then marry, then ultimately divorce. Why? Because evaluations are hard when folks shield who they are, which they can often do convincingly for years. How much more difficult when those evaluations come a few minutes at a time, often on the phone or via text. Truthfully, I'm impressed at how quickly that they figure out who isn't going to work long term and get them moved elsewhere.

Seriously...nothing to see here.
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I'm not saying attrition is a problem or abnormal. It's amusing how the fanbase twists dismissals depending on who the coach is.

FTR, I'm not referring to the dismissals of Fulmer holdovers on the roster. I'm referring to Kiffins actual class.
 
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Sounds to me like, if you're a blueshirt, you need to cross all t's and dot all i's and act like you want to be here.
 
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Bruce and Oliver were on the same boat as Jaylond Woods IMO... Never really understood why we accepted their commitments in the first place...
 
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onevol74 said:
Your assumptions are completely false about THC. Regardless of the fluid intake THC would still be evident 21 days later. That is where most people fail the test.

It sounds like he failed a random and subsequently failed two mandatory follow-ups due to an initial positive test.
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Or maybe he had an increase of THC in his system. I would imagine the people administering the tests would be aware of people who already tested positive and what to look for to see if they are still smoking weed.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I'm not saying attrition is a problem or abnormal. It's amusing how the fanbase twists dismissals depending on who the coach is.

FTR, I'm not referring to the dismissals of Fulmer holdovers on the roster. I'm referring to Kiffins actual class.
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You asked when this becomes an indictment of the staff and their evaluations. Evaluations aren't perfect and attrition is the result. I can't comment on how people responded to Kiffin, but I would say it is too early to say how Butch's recruits will compare. I do think that Butch gets a pass due to the kind of person we perceive Butch to be. Kiffin...well, not so much.
 
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oryankees said:
Bruce and Oliver were on the same boat as Jaylond Woods IMO... Never really understood why we accepted their commitments in the first place...
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Because they were in-state kids. To answer BG's question, I feel people would be freaking out if they were higher rated young men. This is why so many are hoping and optimistic thay Pearson returns. No offense to other players that get dismissed but as I said earlier Talent gets passes in every organization. Not just football.
 
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I skipped about 3 pages of posts.. 50 posts per page or gtfo... Can someone recap what happened to this guy?
 
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StoVol said:
I skipped about 3 pages of posts.. 50 posts per page or gtfo... Can someone recap what happened to this guy?
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Apparently he was in the car with Big Charles when he got picked up for DUI.

Maybe smoking some herb...not sure what else.

Good to see you're still around Sto
 
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Thanks guys, aj, you're avi makes me think of Rich Rollin often... Miss him
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I'm not saying attrition is a problem or abnormal. It's amusing how the fanbase twists dismissals depending on who the coach is.

FTR, I'm not referring to the dismissals of Fulmer holdovers on the roster. I'm referring to Kiffins actual class.
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I think it's pretty clear that Butch Jones has built up equity with the fans with the way he handles his business. He isn't out smack talking and being brash and arrogant. He has embraced traditions unlike the other two, and he has endeared himself to the fans. When you do that, the fans support you more with these decisions. Not that difficult to see.

Kiffin's one class that he actually signed ended up being terrible. The two 5 stars didn't last long, and most everyone else was not productive. In addition, two of them got dismissed for an aggravated robbery. Pearson and Paulk are the only Jones recruits that have had any serious criminal allegation, and they weren't even charged. Sawyer was a theft, and Mosley was a DUI. Everyone else was either insubordination or not good enough.
 
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StoVol said:
Thanks guys, aj, you're avi makes me think of Rich Rollin often... Miss him
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Yeah - I changed to that avi just after his accident. Hope his family is doing alright.

That whole situation has helped give me perspective when I need it (often).

Hope you're doing well.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Yeah - I changed to that avi just after his accident. Hope his family is doing alright.

That whole situation has helped give me perspective when I need it (often).

Hope you're doing well.
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I talked to a very prominent poster on this site about that, perspective, and he said there were a bunch of d. Heads on this site. Constantly needling each other, nit picking their posts, putting words in people's mouths, and we are all supposed to be Vols. after his passing I started to see it more clearly and quit engaging them. I think when someone has posted for a few years they become a little more civil. We don't need to correct every mistake. If I'm gone tomorrow I don't want my last post to come off like a caustic a hole. Hope to meet you at a game sometime bro. Godspeed
 
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Ron Swanson said:
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Bad timing Ron lol
 
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flowd82 said:
Don't really care if VN questions the information or not. That comes straight from the mouth of a current UT player.

And yes, it is very possible to fail 3 drug test in 6 weeks or less. Once a college football player fails an initial drug test, they are tested very often after that. I would know. But by all means, continue arguing amongst yourselves.
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He ain't lying. He knows lol
 
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StoVol said:
I talked to a very prominent poster on this site about that, perspective, and he said there were a bunch of d. Heads on this site. Constantly needling each other, nit picking their posts, putting words in people's mouths, and we are all supposed to be Vols. after his passing I started to see it more clearly and quit engaging them. I think when someone has posted for a few years they become a little more civil. We don't need to correct every mistake. If I'm gone tomorrow I don't want my last post to come off like a caustic a hole. Hope to meet you at a game sometime bro. Godspeed
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Same to you bro. Unfortunately I let myself fall back into those pointless arguments sometimes - try not to though.

Hope we have something special to cheer about this year - regardless of W-L record I have a feeling it's going to be very fun to watch.

Later Sto
 
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SSVol said:
You asked when this becomes an indictment of the staff and their evaluations. Evaluations aren't perfect and attrition is the result. I can't comment on how people responded to Kiffin, but I would say it is too early to say how Butch's recruits will compare. I do think that Butch gets a pass due to the kind of person we perceive Butch to be. Kiffin...well, not so much.
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Then why blame others? That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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