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agent|orange said:
It's hard to really quantify a true number as there will be good officers and bad ones. Trying to paint all 1.2million officers in the US with a "3 out of 4 are good" will be folly.
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Then why even use such a term to begin with? Good number implies a majority. And really? "Don't see us as fellow Americans." WTF do they see you as?

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I've said it before that even if 9 out of 10 are good... there are so many officers that the 1 out of 10 bad ones can cause a lot of damage. And it's undeniable that Unions and the legal system try to protect cops unless there is clear video evidence that contradicts the reports they will file.
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I won't disagree that unions protect a lot of cops they shouldn't. And that adds to the problems. As for the legal system adding to it, I'd give you a "situation dictates" on that one. But as I stated yesterday, sometimes the judicial system brings stupid cases along that are doomed to failure before even starting like in Cleveland. Why single out one particular cop out of that entire group?

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Even you have admitted that there are quite a few you wouldn't p1ss on if they were on fire. And that's coming from a fellow cop... imagine being on the receiving end of their uncontainable ire?
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Which is why I always say to be polite, endure and get a lawyer if you feel you've been wronged.

The more people complain about the one bad cop out of the many good ones, the quicker something could be done about it.

agent|orange said:
It's not a good feeling know know when you're being bullied and know there is nothing you can do about it. Get pulled over by the wrong ahole on the wrong day and your life could be ruined. That's the reality of this country, rather you want to face that or not.
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Seriously guy, get off this "GV is denying everything that goes on" kick you're on. It's stupid. Really ****ing stupid to continue labeling me as such.

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Sure, there are horrible elements to a cops job that they have to face but I'm concerned over the hyper-militarization and the black-and-white quotes from many cop PR that make it seem like the lines between the criminal elements and law-abiding elements of US society are being blurred to cops and we're all just criminal elements that haven't been caught or implicated yet.

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I personally believe much of this "militarization" is overblown by the media as well as many posters on here. Somewhere back in one of the threads are detailed lists of what each department received. Now granted, not all of them need that MRAP, but boots and tents? A command trailer? Are these things really that disconcerting to the American Citizen that they scream "militarization!" any chance they get? A cold juice dispenser? Yeah, that's a threat to the civil liberties.

You want to continue complaining about cops and taking things out of context every chance you get. Yet won't face up to your own mistakes even after being shoved into your face. Fine, pride won't allow you to admit you're wrong about some of the things you post. I understand that.

But this "blurred line" you speak of is not a blurred line at all. Because the same 1 in 10 you spoke of before is now applied to everyone across the board. You don't think the 90% (using your arbitrary numbers) is tired and fatigued at some point or other? That they may not get tired of being called pig or getting flipped off or having people argue over the fact "I wasn't speeding!" when that cop knows very well how fast they were going? Or getting labeled as racists, bigots, Uncle Toms, sellouts, JBT, or any number of names along the way? You say "they have to just take it." Yeah, why don't you try that on for size for a while and see how you change your tune.

Police is a damned if you do, damned if you don't profession as I've stated before. Get something stolen from your property and the first question asked is "why don't you have more patrols in the area? I pay my taxes." And the very next week when patrol cars are watching the area it's "why are there so many cops nearby harassing people for speeding?" when they see a violation of the law.

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Slamming a 130lb womans face into a tiled floor isn't really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

I go after the bad cops. I despise the ones that show no integrity and abuse the law. There are plenty of examples out there so if it seems like I'm "going after all cops" then so be it. I take that as a bad sign for cops and their ability to keep their tempers in check.

And it doesn't matter how much a cop is tired of getting called a pig and getting flipped off. I got called "fascist jackboot nazi" when in uniform... I didn't start cracking skulls. But I have control over myself.

GV, you've gotten on here yourself and outright said you wouldn't piss on some of the guys you worked with if they're on fire. I don't get how you can say that and then take the "woe is me, everyone hates me" angle. They hate you because of your coworkers that even you wouldn't piss on if they're on fire. This means you know that they're pretty horrible people. Imagine how they treated people they pulled over?

Same as the Iraqis hating all US military because of Haditha and the way Blackwater acted. I get it. That doesn't justify me kicking down a door and beating the crap out of someone because they flicked a hairband at me.

But I guess that's the difference between being in an actual warzone and a manufactured one. Guess I need another reality check, right?

And before the "open a pickle jar" comments start, I've never been personally wronged by a cop. In fact, the instances I've been pulled over have gone well. I treated them with respect until they show otherwise.

I just abhor people that abuse their position of trust and abuse the laws in their favor. Again, I guess it's sad that this puts me off in left field.
 
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agent|orange said:
Slamming a 130lb womans face into a tiled floor isn't really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

I go after the bad cops. I despise the ones that show no integrity and abuse the law. There are plenty of examples out there so if it seems like I'm "going after all cops" then so be it. I take that as a bad sign for cops and their ability to keep their tempers in check.

And it doesn't matter how much a cop is tired of getting called a pig and getting flipped off. I got called "fascist jackboot nazi" when in uniform... I didn't start cracking skulls. But I have control over myself.

GV, you've gotten on here yourself and outright said you wouldn't piss on some of the guys you worked with if they're on fire. I don't get how you can say that and then take the "woe is me, everyone hates me" angle. They hate you because of your coworkers that even you wouldn't piss on if they're on fire. This means you know that they're pretty horrible people. Imagine how they treated people they pulled over?

Same as the Iraqis hating all US military because of Haditha and the way Blackwater acted. I get it. That doesn't justify me kicking down a door and beating the crap out of someone because they flicked a hairband at me.

But I guess that's the difference between being in an actual warzone and a manufactured one. Guess I need another reality check, right?

And before the "open a pickle jar" comments start, I've never been personally wronged by a cop. In fact, the instances I've been pulled over have gone well. I treated them with respect until they show otherwise.

I just abhor people that abuse their position of trust and abuse the laws in their favor. Again, I guess it's sad that this puts me off in left field.
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Everyone hates me, poor little me...

LOL!

I could give two flying copulation scenes what others think about me on here.

But since you mentioned it, why aren't you stepping back and taking a breath to analyze the situation before jumping to conclusions and making broad generalizations to an entire profession? One instance of someone getting out of control (and I'd like to see the entire story there) that you apply to my analogy. Which doesn't even fit in the least and you know it. Furthermore, you screamed and ranted over the whole militarization thing some days ago, yet wouldn't back down and apologize when it was proven just how wrong you were when you took one sentence out of context.

I admit when I'm wrong. Maybe that's just me though. I'm not going to say you are too stubborn to admit when you're wrong, but you know...

So if you have always had good contacts with the police in the past, why damn the entire profession? And yes you do. Obviously it wasn't quite as life altering as you rant about. And obviously if your statistic of one didn't end up with you getting choke slammed, perhaps you tend to overreact a bit over the singular situations?

And don't make the mistake of thinking you were the only one in Iraq.
 
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agent|orange said:
Slamming a 130lb womans face into a tiled floor isn't really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

I go after the bad cops. I despise the ones that show no integrity and abuse the law. There are plenty of examples out there so if it seems like I'm "going after all cops" then so be it. I take that as a bad sign for cops and their ability to keep their tempers in check.

And it doesn't matter how much a cop is tired of getting called a pig and getting flipped off. I got called "fascist jackboot nazi" when in uniform... I didn't start cracking skulls. But I have control over myself.

GV, you've gotten on here yourself and outright said you wouldn't piss on some of the guys you worked with if they're on fire. I don't get how you can say that and then take the "woe is me, everyone hates me" angle. They hate you because of your coworkers that even you wouldn't piss on if they're on fire. This means you know that they're pretty horrible people. Imagine how they treated people they pulled over?

Same as the Iraqis hating all US military because of Haditha and the way Blackwater acted. I get it. That doesn't justify me kicking down a door and beating the crap out of someone because they flicked a hairband at me.

But I guess that's the difference between being in an actual warzone and a manufactured one. Guess I need another reality check, right?

And before the "open a pickle jar" comments start, I've never been personally wronged by a cop. In fact, the instances I've been pulled over have gone well. I treated them with respect until they show otherwise.

I just abhor people that abuse their position of trust and abuse the laws in their favor. Again, I guess it's sad that this puts me off in left field.
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Well, I watched the edited video of Ms. Sheehans unfortunate incident. Obviously she is culpable, at least partly, in this accident. There are obviously several minutes of edited footage showing her repeated assaults on the officers and active resistance. A better solution exists, but I do not believe the officers intent was to slam her that hard. It appears, to me, that she was struggling and the officer lost his grip. Imo.
 
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agent|orange said:
This just in:

Drunk part-time model is safer passed out at a metro stop than she is in the custody of police.

The curious case of Megan Sheehan... where flicking a hair band justifies a shattered face. I can already hear the "she shouldn't have been belligerent!" excuses from the usual suspects.

Because belligerence doesn't justify shattering someone's face. If I just up and busted everyone who was belligerent to me... I doubt the same chuckleheads would be defending me. I'd just be a common thug. But it's acceptable when he's a uniformed officer protected by Unions and the legal system.
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The official report said she was "guided" to the ground.

I swear, the meathead cops we have in this country...
 
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tim said:
Well, I watched the edited video of Ms. Sheehans unfortunate incident. Obviously she is culpable, at least partly, in this accident. There are obviously several minutes of edited footage showing her repeated assaults on the officers and active resistance. A better solution exists, but I do not believe the officers intent was to slam her that hard. It appears, to me, that she was struggling and the officer lost his grip. Imo.
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Yep....she was drunk and fighting the cops.....all her injuries came from one throw to the ground....it is an awful thing to happen to her though.
 
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agent|orange said:
And seriously, if a fully grown man can't control a belligerent part-time model without shattering her face... he has no d@mn business being a cop. That chick is, what, probably 130lbs? Maybe 135lbs?

Excuse away!
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As a comparison... This Danny Trejo impersonator didn't even get this kind of abuse.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8rQQiaQgcI[/youtube]
 
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Grand Vol said:
I was content to leave this one alone, but why, oh why, do people feel the need?

"Good number" is pretty ambiguous. Want to slap a percentage on that or just make up numbers?

And FTR since I have been identified, I wouldn't ever compare US laws to German laws when it comes to certain things. DUI especially. While their public intox laws may be far more lenient, their DUI laws are far more draconian. As is the ability to alcohol test you up to two hours after a traffic accident no matter how minor it is. You get in a fender bender and go home and have a beer? Even though you were sober at the time of the accident, you can turn around and get charged with DUI up to two hours after.

There's also a municipal code that says you can't swear the the police in one district. 250 Euro fine for doing so.

And on the subject of DUIs in Germany, how about those fines? Or the mental coordination test you have to do afterwards? Or the fact that even trace amounts in those under 21 will get your license revoked?

I wouldn't compare German cops to US cops at all personally.
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How many people have died after a traffic stop in Germany vs how many die just in the state of California each year? I don't even have the numbers in front of me, but I guarantee you that just one state would have a far high death toll than the country of Germany.
 
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agent|orange said:
And seriously, if a fully grown man can't control a belligerent part-time model without shattering her face... he has no d@mn business being a cop. That chick is, what, probably 130lbs? Maybe 135lbs?

Excuse away!
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I was at Wal Mart one time when a 130-140 pound woman was caught shoplifting....she literally whipped the sh*t out of two cops.....It was the most hilarious thing I have ever seen.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yep....she was drunk and fighting the cops.....all her injuries came from one throw to the ground....it is an awful thing to happen to her though.
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People will see what they want to see here. The officers displayed patience with her repeatedly throughout contact with her. I feel that if they were going to purposely mistreat her they would've done it earlier. Obviously an accident that she was, at the least, partially responsible for. Unfortunate though.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many people have died after a traffic stop in Germany vs how many die just in the state of California each year? I don't even have the numbers in front of me, but I guarantee you that just one state would have a far high death toll than the country of Germany.
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Don't make a guarantee you can't back up.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many people have died after a traffic stop in Germany vs how many die just in the state of California each year? I don't even have the numbers in front of me, but I guarantee you that just one state would have a far high death toll than the country of Germany.
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Isnt the homicide rate in Germany 6X higher in the US than in Germany?
 
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Grand Vol said:
But this "blurred line" you speak of is not a blurred line at all. Because the same 1 in 10 you spoke of before is now applied to everyone across the board. You don't think the 90% (using your arbitrary numbers) is tired and fatigued at some point or other? That they may not get tired of being called pig or getting flipped off or having people argue over the fact "I wasn't speeding!" when that cop knows very well how fast they were going? Or getting labeled as racists, bigots, Uncle Toms, sellouts, JBT, or any number of names along the way? You say "they have to just take it." Yeah, why don't you try that on for size for a while and see how you change your tune.

Police is a damned if you do, damned if you don't profession as I've stated before. Get something stolen from your property and the first question asked is "why don't you have more patrols in the area? I pay my taxes." And the very next week when patrol cars are watching the area it's "why are there so many cops nearby harassing people for speeding?" when they see a violation of the law.

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My argument has been that the cops bring this on themselves by not just letting some stuff slide. Do you all really have to pullover someone at midnight for a rolling stop or going 15 mph over the limit? Really? The less negative interaction with people you have, the more the cops might be respected. But slamming people on the ground, breaking vertebrae, and shooting civilians for things such as "eye rolling", "back talking", and "running" is just ridiculous.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many people have died after a traffic stop in Germany vs how many die just in the state of California each year? I don't even have the numbers in front of me, but I guarantee you that just one state would have a far high death toll than the country of Germany.
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You like comparing apples to oranges
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My argument has been that the cops bring this on themselves by not just letting some stuff slide. Do you all really have to pullover someone at midnight for a rolling stop or going 15 mph over the limit? Really? The less negative interaction with people you have, the more the cops might be respected. But slamming people on the ground, breaking vertebrae, and shooting civilians for things such as "eye rolling", "back talking", and "running" is just ridiculous.
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Maybe cops should start saying pretty please with sugars on top instead. Maybe people should stop trying to fight the police when pulled over and if they have been wronged, fight it in the courts like the system is set up for.
 
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tim said:
Well, I watched the edited video of Ms. Sheehans unfortunate incident. Obviously she is culpable, at least partly, in this accident. There are obviously several minutes of edited footage showing her repeated assaults on the officers and active resistance. A better solution exists, but I do not believe the officers intent was to slam her that hard. It appears, to me, that she was struggling and the officer lost his grip. Imo.
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One solution would have been to put her in a holding area and let her sober up.

But that would require some thinking and a little effort.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Everyone hates me, poor little me...

LOL!

I could give two flying copulation scenes what others think about me on here.

But since you mentioned it, why aren't you stepping back and taking a breath to analyze the situation before jumping to conclusions and making broad generalizations to an entire profession? One instance of someone getting out of control (and I'd like to see the entire story there) that you apply to my analogy. Which doesn't even fit in the least and you know it. Furthermore, you screamed and ranted over the whole militarization thing some days ago, yet wouldn't back down and apologize when it was proven just how wrong you were when you took one sentence out of context.

I admit when I'm wrong. Maybe that's just me though. I'm not going to say you are too stubborn to admit when you're wrong, but you know...

So if you have always had good contacts with the police in the past, why damn the entire profession? And yes you do. Obviously it wasn't quite as life altering as you rant about. And obviously if your statistic of one didn't end up with you getting choke slammed, perhaps you tend to overreact a bit over the singular situations?

And don't make the mistake of thinking you were the only one in Iraq.
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This pretty much proves you've read a scant word I've written.
 
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