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Grand Vol said:
It's actually a form of an arm bar that is intended to guide a person to the ground. By taking the wrist into that position and pushing on the shoulder or upper arm, it creates a pressure point and the body naturally moves where you guide the arm. You would spin them in about a half circle before getting them on the ground where restraints would be applied or reapplied.

Normally it works as long as one is doing the guiding in a controlled fashion. Which doesn't appear to be the case in this instance as the movement towards the ground was a lot harder than needed. And the intoxicated state of the individual probably didn't help matters.

ETA: And the second cop jumping in likely didn't help the balance situation either.
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There is that word again... must be cop lingo.

Guiding a person to the ground = Road Warriors Hawk and Animal face slamming a little white girl into the concrete
 
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Burhead said:
While tear gas is banned on the battlefield by the Chemical Weapons Convention it is allowed to be used by military forces for drills and riot control freely and is not prohibited at all for domestic law enforcement use. Not sure pepper spray even falls under chemical weapons.
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Its interesting that we can use it on fellow Americans but prohibited from using it on Al Qaeda...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where else did I say it?
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I think he got your post mixed up with agent orange that used it also. Dont want to speak for him, but I'm assuming he is questioning why race is even relevant to this case. If that is what he is asking, I would have to agree.
 
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jp1 said:
I think he got your post mixed up with agent orange that used it also. Dont want to speak for him, but I'm assuming he is questioning why race is even relevant to this case. If that is what he is asking, I would have to agree.
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I said it because it is somewhat relevant. This isn't a black kid that grew up in a broken home in crippling poverty and poor schooling that a bulk of VN cannot identify with.

This is a pretty white woman that speaks well and is likely well educated. That's a lot easier for most people in here to identify with.

And that doesn't actually imply racism... it's normal for humans to have the most empathy towards other humans they identify with. It's always emotionally different to see battlefield photos and know they're US personnel in them instead of Japanese, Russians or Germans, for instance.
 
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jp1 said:
I think he got your post mixed up with agent orange that used it also. Dont want to speak for him, but I'm assuming he is questioning why race is even relevant to this case. If that is what he is asking, I would have to agree.
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You are correct. Sorry Ras, I was drunk and had you mixed up.
 
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agent|orange said:
I said it because it is somewhat relevant. This isn't a black kid that grew up in a broken home in crippling poverty and poor schooling that a bulk of VN cannot identify with.

This is a pretty white woman that speaks well and is likely well educated. That's a lot easier for most people in here to identify with.

And that doesn't actually imply racism... it's normal for humans to have the most empathy towards other humans they identify with. It's always emotionally different to see battlefield photos and know they're US personnel in them instead of Japanese, Russians or Germans, for instance.
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But your argument dealt with the means that she was taken to the ground. Race was irrelevant to your argument from that angle. I do agree with your human nature and empathy towards people you identify with comment in general though.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Both cops deserve to lose their job over this....That is ridiculous.
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The photo is from 1999-2003 and, if you read the article:

Finnigan (one of the photographed) is a notoriously dirty ex-cop who was a member of the police department’s elite Special Operations Section (SOS) until 2006, when he was charged with leading a gang of fellow officers who robbed suspects, illegally invaded homes and stole thousands of dollars in cash. He’s now serving 12 years in federal prison.

In a 2012 interview with Playboy, Finnigan admitted the SOS beat and tortured multiple suspects, and described shutting down an internal affairs investigation by appealing to one of his comrades in blue who worked in the Internal Affairs Division.
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If you want to know why people are wary of cops. This is just another brick in the wall.

AGAIN! Most are, I'm sure, good people. The bad ones are usually protected within their ranks and require a compelling amount of evidence to convict.

I'm personally not even slightly surprised by this. That amount of unbridled power over people can corrupt very easily.
 
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agent|orange said:
The photo is from 1999-2003 and, if you read the article:



If you want to know why people are wary of cops. This is just another brick in the wall.

AGAIN! Most are, I'm sure, good people. The bad ones are usually protected within their ranks and require a compelling amount of evidence to convict.

I'm personally not even slightly surprised by this. That amount of unbridled power over people can corrupt very easily.
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Thats exactly right. The position & power should not be given to human beings. Throw in civil asset forfeiture & a faux war on drugs and watch the corruption grow.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
:thumbsup: The article says that one of those is now serving 12 years in federal prison. You must've not seen that in print as you read the article.
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I saw that and also saw that neither cop works for the police force any longer....I was just stating that I thought the offense warranted firing.
 
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agent|orange said:
The photo is from 1999-2003 and, if you read the article:



If you want to know why people are wary of cops. This is just another brick in the wall.

AGAIN! Most are, I'm sure, good people. The bad ones are usually protected within their ranks and require a compelling amount of evidence to convict.

I'm personally not even slightly surprised by this. That amount of unbridled power over people can corrupt very easily.
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Yes and the cop was sent to prison for 12 yrs....
 
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#VFL__ said:
Thats exactly right. The position & power should not be given to human beings. Throw in civil asset forfeiture & a faux war on drugs and watch the corruption grow.
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Well, as the saying goes: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Obviously, humans will have to fill a role of authority figures but there is way too much of a wide berth given in some jurisdictions that allow cops to basically get a "get out of jail free" card to do what they want.

If a person claims a cop did something, it's usually just a claim and is swept under the rug. The only way, unfortunately, to gain any action is to have compelling evidence (usually video) and release it to the media. Sending a videotape to the DA and saying "this is the only copy, I hope you do the right thing" might work some times. DAs are often-times just legal side protection for corrupt police departments.

Civilians videotaping interactions with police, as long as they don't interfere, are the best form of civil protection for the population at large.

And this isn't necessarily saying "I'm filming you because I don't trust you" so much as it is "I'm filming to cover this persons ass to document the interaction in case things go too far".

Because the reality remains that there are plenty of cops that will do what they want and then trump up events that didn't happen to support their aggression.
 
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Throughout this forum, comments are made about a few bad cops making the vast majority of good cops look bad; but based on various reports released after investigations of police departments where questionable police behavior has occurred, it's often concluded that the issues aren't stemming so much from a few bad officers, but from the ways the entire department chooses to police certain communities.
 
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Dr Dread said:
Throughout this forum, comments are made about a few bad cops making the vast majority of good cops look bad; but based on various reports released after investigations of police departments where questionable police behavior has occurred, it's often concluded that the issues aren't stemming so much from a few bad officers, but from the ways the entire department chooses to police certain communities.
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Agreed. In many cases the "good" cops are just as guilty for allowing these things to happen.
 
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