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Rasputin_Vol said:
And that was justification for the cops to power slam her to the ground? I mean, what was she gonna do... run away from the scene? They could have let her walk away, got her tag number as she was driving off and then arrested her (if needed) later on if they did conclude a crime was committed. Big girl wasn't gonna be going far, regardless. But cops aren't that smart to realize that, I suppose.
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She was not power slammed to the ground......when do we quit blaming cops for everything and start taking personal responsibility for our actions.The cops were very calm and respectful in this instance. She would have been on her way if she had acted with even half the decency the police showed in this case.
 
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volbeast33 said:
She was not power slammed to the ground......when do we quit blaming cops for everything and start taking personal responsibility for our actions.The cops were very calm and respectful in this instance. She would have been on her way if she had acted with even half the decency the police showed in this case.
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She was already walking away when the cops grabbed her and power slammed her down. Look, the woman was belligerent and more than likely did have an incident with the white woman... I understand that. But still, the situation up to the time that she got power slammed was nothing more than a he said/she said incident. The cops should have had enough restraint and common sense to just let that heifer walk off and if they needed to do anything else, they could have easily gotten he tag number as she was pulling away or whatever. It wasn't like they couldn't have out run the hippo or that she was going to get away.

The same is true of the guy in Charleston that got shot while he was running away from the cop. I mean really? A 50 year old man is really going to out run a cop 20 years younger than he is and the fact that the cops had the guy's Mercedes still parked right there in the lot, so they could have easily identified him and known exactly where he would have likely run to? Plus they had run his license and information anyways? Cops are just not using their thinking caps... or watch too much TV and want to be Starsky & Hutch. There was no need in the world for the cop to be going back and forth with the woman and grab her when he had already aknowledged that no crime appeared to have been committed. The white woman's car was not damaged and the woman was not physically hurt in any way. Just separate the two of them and call it a day. Nobody goes to jail. No drama. No impending lawsuit.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
She was already walking away when the cops grabbed her and power slammed her down. Look, the woman was belligerent and more than likely did have an incident with the white woman... I understand that. But still, the situation up to the time that she got power slammed was nothing more than a he said/she said incident. The cops should have had enough restraint and common sense to just let that heifer walk off and if they needed to do anything else, they could have easily gotten he tag number as she was pulling away or whatever. It wasn't like they couldn't have out run the hippo or that she was going to get away.

The same is true of the guy in Charleston that got shot while he was running away from the cop. I mean really? A 50 year old man is really going to out run a cop 20 years younger than he is and the fact that the cops had the guy's Mercedes still parked right there in the lot, so they could have easily identified him and known exactly where he would have likely run to? Plus they had run his license and information anyways? Cops are just not using their thinking caps... or watch too much TV and want to be Starsky & Hutch. There was no need in the world for the cop to be going back and forth with the woman and grab her when he had already aknowledged that no crime appeared to have been committed. The white woman's car was not damaged and the woman was not physically hurt in any way. Just separate the two of them and call it a day. Nobody goes to jail. No drama. No impending lawsuit.
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Here is what I got from your post: power slammed....heifer.....power slammed.....white woman
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Here is what I get from most of your posts:

Admiration for fascism.... That's about it actually.
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Now seriously Sam......read his post that I responded to. He says multiple times that the "hippo" was power slammed (extreme exaggeration) and mentions the white woman. Her race was relevant at the beginning of the video because the "heifer" brought it up. Race had absolutely nothing to do with his criticism of the cops in this case so why bring it up? Am I wrong? Was she "power slammed" in your opinion?

I didn't comment one way or the other on the video about the police handling of the situation. If you don't like my posts there is a simple fix.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
She was already walking away when the cops grabbed her and power slammed her down. Look, the woman was belligerent and more than likely did have an incident with the white woman... I understand that. But still, the situation up to the time that she got power slammed was nothing more than a he said/she said incident. The cops should have had enough restraint and common sense to just let that heifer walk off and if they needed to do anything else, they could have easily gotten he tag number as she was pulling away or whatever. It wasn't like they couldn't have out run the hippo or that she was going to get away.

The same is true of the guy in Charleston that got shot while he was running away from the cop. I mean really? A 50 year old man is really going to out run a cop 20 years younger than he is and the fact that the cops had the guy's Mercedes still parked right there in the lot, so they could have easily identified him and known exactly where he would have likely run to? Plus they had run his license and information anyways? Cops are just not using their thinking caps... or watch too much TV and want to be Starsky & Hutch. There was no need in the world for the cop to be going back and forth with the woman and grab her when he had already aknowledged that no crime appeared to have been committed. The white woman's car was not damaged and the woman was not physically hurt in any way. Just separate the two of them and call it a day. Nobody goes to jail. No drama. No impending lawsuit.
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Cops have to investigate the situation.....they have to have some sort of authority and cannot just let people walk away. Was there a good chance that it was a situation where they could just separate the two parties? Yes, but they still have to have the authority to investigate the situation. Why are you so willing to take the white woman's version of what happened? LOL JK There is a simple solution to all these interactions with police: Be respectful to the police, don't run from the police, don't fight the police, and last but not least don't break the law.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Cops have to investigate the situation.....they have to have some sort of authority and cannot just let people walk away. Was there a good chance that it was a situation where they could just separate the two parties? Yes, but they still have to have the authority to investigate the situation. Why are you so willing to take the white woman's version of what happened? LOL JK There is a simple solution to all these interactions with police: Be respectful to the police, don't run from the police, don't fight the police, and last but not least don't break the law.
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What more was there to investigate at the time he was asking for her name? He could have very easily gotten her name through other means if necessary (he had on a body camera, her car was parked in the lot and her daughter went to the school). He had several ways and opportunities to get her name without having to resort to grabbing anybody, "guiding" them to the ground or handcuffing anybody.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What more was there to investigate at the time he was asking for her name? He could have very easily gotten her name through other means if necessary (he had on a body camera, her car was parked in the lot and her daughter went to the school). He had several ways and opportunities to get her name without having to resort to grabbing anybody, "guiding" them to the ground or handcuffing anybody.
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I disagree I feel that the cops should have the authority to do their job and shouldn't have to back away bc someone acts like an idiot. I just listened to an interview with her.....more racist cop talk and now she leaves every day in fear.....give me a freaking break.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I disagree I feel that the cops should have the authority to do their job and shouldn't have to back away bc someone acts like an idiot. I just listened to an interview with her.....more racist cop talk and now she leaves every day in fear.....give me a freaking break.
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Cops can do their job, but there was no reason at all for the cop in this instance to escalate a situation that was already settled down and the people disputing were already separated. Anybody with half a brain could see this was just a road rage dispute that got carried away by the hippo, but no harm, no foul. The white lady was worked up to a frenzy, but she was OK and her property was OK. All the cop could do once he got the black ladies side of the story was to just go to their corners and don't let it happen again. Getting her name just so he could have something to file in his report would have accomplished nothing. Nobody deserved to go to jail that day. But now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this nonsense in the courts.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Cops can do their job, but there was no reason at all for the cop in this instance to escalate a situation that was already settled down and the people disputing were already separated. Anybody with half a brain could see this was just a road rage dispute that got carried away by the hippo, but no harm, no foul. The white lady was worked up to a frenzy, but she was OK and her property was OK. All the cop could do once he got the black ladies side of the story was to just go to their corners and don't let it happen again. Getting her name just so he could have something to file in his report would have accomplished nothing. Nobody deserved to go to jail that day. But now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this nonsense in the courts.
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Maybe and their will always be a better solution. Its very easy to sit here and nit pick what could be done when we are sitting at the cpu drinking our coffee. it is a very different thought process being in the middle of a situation like that. The thought that she could win money based on that situation is a shame and complete injustice. The cop was nice, friendly, and handled the situation with respect.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Cops can do their job, but there was no reason at all for the cop in this instance to escalate a situation that was already settled down and the people disputing were already separated. Anybody with half a brain could see this was just a road rage dispute that got carried away by the hippo, but no harm, no foul. The white lady was worked up to a frenzy, but she was OK and her property was OK. All the cop could do once he got the black ladies side of the story was to just go to their corners and don't let it happen again. Getting her name just so he could have something to file in his report would have accomplished nothing. Nobody deserved to go to jail that day. But now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for this nonsense in the courts.
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It accomplishes a whole lot more than you think. Say later the white woman decided to file a complaint because "the cops that responded didn't even care enough to take down her name!" or some such complaint (yes, there are such petty complaints that happen) against the force. Or later on the black lady files a harassment complaint against the department. There will be at least a written record of contact with said individual. Sure, the have the body cams and whatnot, but prudence demands at least having a name to have as a just in case measure in the days where people will file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat. They can go back, research when and where it happened, bring up the footage of the incident, make sure the department's ducks are in a row if something was to happen. But rest assured, most contact with the public in this kind of situation must be recorded on official documents for the safety of both the individuals and the department itself.

There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done. She got completely crazy when she did not need to in any way, shape or form. As for arresting her, no, I think that's a bit far and there were certainly other ways of bringing down the situation if I was to Monday morning QB it. But then again, I don't know if it's a local or State law that requires you to identify yourself verbally to the police. Could be, I don't know and I'm not really in the mood to check.

And I'm going to ask you, however unlikely it is, to refrain from taking anything out of context here like you typically do.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It accomplishes a whole lot more than you think. Say later the white woman decided to file a complaint because "the cops that responded didn't even care enough to take down her name!" or some such complaint (yes, there are such petty complaints that happen) against the force. Or later on the black lady files a harassment complaint against the department. There will be at least a written record of contact with said individual. Sure, the have the body cams and whatnot, but prudence demands at least having a name to have as a just in case measure in the days where people will file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat. They can go back, research when and where it happened, bring up the footage of the incident, make sure the department's ducks are in a row if something was to happen. But rest assured, most contact with the public in this kind of situation must be recorded on official documents for the safety of both the individuals and the department itself.

There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done. She got completely crazy when she did not need to in any way, shape or form. As for arresting her, no, I think that's a bit far and there were certainly other ways of bringing down the situation if I was to Monday morning QB it. But then again, I don't know if it's a local or State law that requires you to identify yourself verbally to the police. Could be, I don't know and I'm not really in the mood to check.

And I'm going to ask you, however unlikely it is, to refrain from taking anything out of context here like you typically do.
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What? You mean just writing "hippo" down on the complaint report isn't enough?
 
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Grand Vol said:
It accomplishes a whole lot more than you think. Say later the white woman decided to file a complaint because "the cops that responded didn't even care enough to take down her name!" or some such complaint (yes, there are such petty complaints that happen) against the force. Or later on the black lady files a harassment complaint against the department. There will be at least a written record of contact with said individual. Sure, the have the body cams and whatnot, but prudence demands at least having a name to have as a just in case measure in the days where people will file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat. They can go back, research when and where it happened, bring up the footage of the incident, make sure the department's ducks are in a row if something was to happen. But rest assured, most contact with the public in this kind of situation must be recorded on official documents for the safety of both the individuals and the department itself.

There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done. She got completely crazy when she did not need to in any way, shape or form. As for arresting her, no, I think that's a bit far and there were certainly other ways of bringing down the situation if I was to Monday morning QB it. But then again, I don't know if it's a local or State law that requires you to identify yourself verbally to the police. Could be, I don't know and I'm not really in the mood to check.

And I'm going to ask you, however unlikely it is, to refrain from taking anything out of context here like you typically do.
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The black lady's name is Michelle. What is the white lady's name? Don't know. Because it wasn't asked.

A few years ago, my brother and I were at the Mall helping a friend install a car stereo. The cops pulled up and started asking questions. We explained what we were doing and they asked for our names. After checking our information, they left us to finish our task. No harm no foul.

A couple of weeks later, I was at weekend guard drill. A friend of mine who was a member of the police department asked me about the incident. I asked him how he knew about it, and he told me that he was working in the gang unit and mine and my brother's names came up as they were trying to determine which gang to file us under.

I no longer give my name unless I'm being detained.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It accomplishes a whole lot more than you think. Say later the white woman decided to file a complaint because "the cops that responded didn't even care enough to take down her name!" or some such complaint (yes, there are such petty complaints that happen) against the force. Or later on the black lady files a harassment complaint against the department. There will be at least a written record of contact with said individual. Sure, the have the body cams and whatnot, but prudence demands at least having a name to have as a just in case measure in the days where people will file a lawsuit at the drop of a hat. They can go back, research when and where it happened, bring up the footage of the incident, make sure the department's ducks are in a row if something was to happen. But rest assured, most contact with the public in this kind of situation must be recorded on official documents for the safety of both the individuals and the department itself.

There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done. She got completely crazy when she did not need to in any way, shape or form. As for arresting her, no, I think that's a bit far and there were certainly other ways of bringing down the situation if I was to Monday morning QB it. But then again, I don't know if it's a local or State law that requires you to identify yourself verbally to the police. Could be, I don't know and I'm not really in the mood to check.

And I'm going to ask you, however unlikely it is, to refrain from taking anything out of context here like you typically do.
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There was no hurry to get her name at that moment. They could have easily just waited for her to leave and gotten her tag number as she drove off, asked around at the school or just put Michelle in the report. After all, they were lucky that she was even still there hanging around as the white woman called the police. The black woman could have very easily driven off immediately after the altercation and before the cops arrived. Then what would they have done in order to get her name?
 
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Once she gave the officer her first name, he had a name to address her by, and an opportunity to begin deescalating the situation. Instead, he chose to continue to escalate the situation by insisting on her full name. He was investigating an argument. As he already stated, there was no crime.
 
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Grand Vol said:
There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done. She got completely crazy when she did not need to in any way, shape or form. As for arresting her, no, I think that's a bit far and there were certainly other ways of bringing down the situation if I was to Monday morning QB it. But then again, I don't know if it's a local or State law that requires you to identify yourself verbally to the police. Could be, I don't know and I'm not really in the mood to check.

And I'm going to ask you, however unlikely it is, to refrain from taking anything out of context here like you typically do.
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She got crazy? She just did the typical chicken necking that most hoodrats do, but she wasn't being violent with the cop... not to the point where he had to grab her and attempt to restrain her.

And as far as state/local law requiring to give a name... it shouldn't matter. The law of the land is The Constitution. I have a right to either remain silent (5th Amendment) or speak freely (1st Amendment). The cop asked her details about the incident and actually, she spilled the beans on herself, if the cop would have been smart enough to realize what she was saying. She admitted to leaving the parking lot to take her child into school and then said she came back out to confront the lady again.

Give most people a hammer and they'll try to see all problems as nails. Give cops unrestrained power to push people around and that is exactly how they will treat most situations. Nobody should have ended up in handcuffs after this incident. That is a reflection of pizz poor police work, not a reflection on the hippo.
 
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Grand Vol said:
There was no reason whatsoever for said lady to get stupid about giving a name. "My name is Jane Smith." Simple, effective, done.
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She essentially did that when she just gave him her first name.

"Michelle". Simple, effective, done.

Stop defending cops when you know they are in the wrong. It is getting old.
 
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Dr Dread said:
Once she gave the officer her first name, he had a name to address her by, and an opportunity to begin deescalating the situation. Instead, he chose to continue to escalate the situation by insisting on her full name. He was investigating an argument. As he already stated, there was no crime.
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Also go back and listen to the video as he explains what a "crime" is. It is basically what most of us have been saying throughout this thread. As long as damage to property, life or limb hasn't occurred, in most cases you can't reasonably say a crime has occurred (there are exceptions like with deadly weapons, I doubt the "brown thing" the hippo threw was a deadly weapon, or else that would have been included in the charges, so miss me with that).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There was no hurry to get her name at that moment. They could have easily just waited for her to leave and gotten her tag number as she drove off, asked around at the school or just put Michelle in the report. After all, they were lucky that she was even still there hanging around as the white woman called the police. The black woman could have very easily driven off immediately after the altercation and before the cops arrived. Then what would they have done in order to get her name?
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The school has no obligation to give her name at all. Sure, they could run her tag, but that doesn't always come back to the person driving (relative's vehicle for example) and putting just a first name in the report?

Really?

And can you keep your replies to one single post?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
She essentially did that when she just gave him her first name.

"Michelle". Simple, effective, done.

Stop defending cops when you know they are in the wrong. It is getting old.
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Stop attacking everything I post when trying to explain something to you. It gets old as well.

Child.
 
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