Recruiting Forum Football Talk XVII

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CABVOL said:
Can't remember which game that was but I remember feeling bad for the guy. That said, sometimes a good arse chewing is needed to get people refocused on what needs to get done.

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That was the South Carolina game shortly after Wilds had an 80 yard run in the 4th quarter to go up by two TD's when we only had 10 guys on the field. The dude has one job during the game and that's to let someone know who came out so they can make a quick sub and he didn't let anyone know Maggitt came out. Spurrier knew that and they ran to the side of the field where Maggitt was supposed to be.

He honestly deserves that ass chewing because that should've lost the game for us. In Butch's defense, that was the first guy he hugged when we won in OT.

It's gotta be embarrassing to get castrated on national tv like that though lol.
 
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eazyTD said:
It's gotta be embarrassing to get castrated on national tv like that though lol.
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That was my point...not that he didn't deserve it.

I know things like this aren't universal, but I've always been taught that you praise in public, and criticize in private. It was the exact opposite here...no one ever saw him get that hug from CBJ.
 
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I am getting more and more excited because usually when VN says something will suck, myself included, we are dead ass wrong.
 
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Freak said:
Interesting tidbit from Rob Lewis about the SEC getting involved in Richmond's recruitment down the stretch to make sure things were on the up and up.

I'd love to know the details behind that.
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Freeze doesn't need to open up that can of worms. $100 bills flow freely from that campus. Some JUCO coaches love to talk :):)
 
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Chuckie said:
That was my point...not that he didn't deserve it.

I know things like this aren't universal, but I've always been taught that you praise in public, and criticize in private. It was the exact opposite here...no one ever saw him get that hug from CBJ.
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That's true but in the heat of the moment you can't really say how you would act either with the pressure that comes with being an SEC HC. Butch always harps on mental toughness and not making unnecessary mental mistakes, so I would imagine it really chaps his ass when a staff member does something boneheaded like that.
 
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Freak said:
Interesting tidbit from Rob Lewis about the SEC getting involved in Richmond's recruitment down the stretch to make sure things were on the up and up.

I'd love to know the details behind that.
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The SEC was just making sure Butch applied enough faith in the recruiting process.
 
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VolinArizona said:
I think the help this hire gives to the OL is overblown. If rumors are true that he and Sheridan will coach QBs, then he isn't coaching OL.

And no good head coach would allow another coach to meddle in another coach's position. No way Debord is looking over Mahoney's shoulder.
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I thought that was part of the coordinator's job--to look over the shoulders of the assistants under him. I know for sure it's part of the head coach's job.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
Unless Debord has just gone completely off the reservation in his time away from football, I find it more likely than not that he'll be a good hire at Tennessee. He's obviously a personality fit with Butch, who has never had an offensive coordinator other than Bajakian. He brings a ton of experience to the table - like Steve Stripling levels of experience. This guy has been around the game a long time at multiple levels. He knows his football. He has experience with both the pro-style O and the West Coast/ZBS attack. He'll run the playbook Jones gives him to run while implementing his own tweaks to improve it. And most importantly, he won't be afraid to run the damn ball.

Why is this the most important thing? Well, as fun as watching MACtion/Air Raid passing attacks can be, the fundamental, proven championship formula is still just as relevant now as it was a century ago:

1. Play physical, fast, suffocating defense.
2. Maintain an efficient offense headlined by a dominant power running game and punctuated with effective downfield passing (yes, both of these are possible from the spread - and if the QB can run too, even better).
3. Put yourself in the best possible field position with special teams.
4. Able to get 1 or 2 yards when you need them.
5. Profit
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fixed number 4 for you.
 
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VolinArizona said:
I think the help this hire gives to the OL is overblown. If rumors are true that he and Sheridan will coach QBs, then he isn't coaching OL.

And no good head coach would allow another coach to meddle in another coach's position. No way Debord is looking over Mahoney's shoulder.
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Now this is just silly. So supervisors aren't allowed to supervise? So you think Butch writes all the performance reviews? Dude, do you even work?
 
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Freak said:
Interesting tidbit from Rob Lewis about the SEC getting involved in Richmond's recruitment down the stretch to make sure things were on the up and up.

I'd love to know the details behind that.
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It's not public, but the only viable cause for the SEC oversight would be that Hugh Freeze spazzed when Richmond "disobeyed" him and took the visit to Knoxville. Such an amateur and hypocritical move...only sadder that Slive indulged him...gonna miss that creep.
 
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Chuckie said:
That was my point...not that he didn't deserve it.

I know things like this aren't universal, but I've always been taught that you praise in public, and criticize in private. It was the exact opposite here...no one ever saw him get that hug from CBJ.
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It's SEC football, the traditional social norms aren't exactly applicable. I'm not gonna step out of my office and scream at an employee, but if I'm Butch in that situation you best believe I'm blowing a gasket.
 
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When it comes to Feldman, can we just go ahead and translate "his source" into "Butch Jones"?
 
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On the radio, Mike Farrell said all three of our QB commits in this class are projects.
 
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Freak said:
On the radio, Mike Farrell said all three of our QB commits in this class are projects.
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Interesting way to put it.

All have tons of potential. Scary that one will be the backup if Dobbs goes down, but we aight.
 
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Okay. I'm not super pumped about the hire, but I'm willing to reserve judgment and see how it pans out before I call it a terrible hire.

I know he hasn't coached in two years, but his history in the collegiate and pro levels is pretty extensive. And before we bash him for his record at CMU with Butch, we must remember, being a coordinator and being a head coach are two different responsibilities.

I don't know what Butch already knew before his days at CMU, or what else he picked up from other head coaches. But if you track the progress of CMU's offense under DeBoard and Butch from 2000 to 2003, they made very clear strides.

Don't be fooled by the overall records, CMU only had between 2-4 wins per year throughout that four year span, but it's obvious that defense was the problem.

Butch was the RB coach in 2000, 2001, and 2002; OC in 2003, DeBord's last year.

* 2000 featured 2 QB's, neither did much to help the team. Using one feature RB, the entire team barely scraped together 1000 yards.

* 2001 saw strides made both at the QB position and with the running game, their QB throwing 7 TD and 6 INT, but the team as a whole rushing for 2000 yards behind the feature back rushing for nearly 1200 yards.

* In 2002, CMU's running game really took off, feature back rushing for 1360 and 9 TD's, the team getting almost 2500 yards and 22 TD's on the ground.

* 2003 was Butch's first year as OC, DeBord's last year as HC. They had two feature backs, Seymour rushing 205 times for 1100 yards and 8 TD's, and Jackson rushing 199 times for 803 and another 8 TD's. (Other RB's scored 4 TD's bringing the team rushing TD total to 20.) They resorted to 2 QB's (benching or injury, I dunno), with combined stats of 179/321, 1991 yards, 16 TD's and 10 INT.

None of these years saw the QB keep it a lot. Looking at the number of QB rushes and the YPC, I'd say most of the "carries" were the QB's running for their lives against big-time D1 defenses. Butch helped shape those offenses, but he was doing so under the directive of DeBord as head coach.

These teams did have terrible records in a terrible conference-- that's indisputable. I'm sure with two big brother's in-state and Michigan not really being a recruiting cradle of fertility to begin with, that talent was hard to come by. But if DeBord didn't field such a terrible defense (their D gave up 30+ ppg three of those four seasons, and 28 ppg the other one), who knows how well the offense would have flourished. Again DeBord is not on trial for his head coaching job at CMU. It's his offense that clearly shaped Butch's philosophy early in his career that I think lends some insight into what DeBord can do on our Offensive staff.

The above information is based on stats found on Sports-Reference.com - Sports Statistics and History.. because cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics didn't have anything prior to 2008. I'm not making a case for anything DeBord did in the NFL or at Michigan, and if there's a rebuttal that wipes this away based on that, flame away on me, but given the years that they worked together, the offense showed significant strides until they hit the ceiling that piss-poor defenses and lack of talent put on a team.
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I posted this in the FF, but it was largely overlooked by the anti-DeBord circlejerk. I did a little research into the CMU offense at work yesterday.
 
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005 said:
I'd just like to know what he means by "projects"...
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Apparently he means our three 4* QBs. They are considered so much of "projects" that they were ranked as 4* recruits. I mean, everyone knew that Jajuan Jennings was going to be project at QB because he is still raw (and some think he projects better at Safety). That being said, Dormady has a great arm and S. Jones seems to be Dobbs 2.0. QD and SJ don't appear to be "projects." IMO.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Slive is out as SEC comish this summer, correct?
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Yeah... Parting gift from him...poster in another thread hypothesized that the police action COULD have been a solid to Slive's blood brother Saban after Richmond told them to pound sand...never thought of that...We can't make fun of women and silly reality television with these kinds of shenanigans going on with grown men...that's for sure. :loco:
 
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