Official OC search update thread...

#876
#876
Doyle Hargraves said:
If Butch is concerned about a DeBord announcement now ruining the recruiting class, how does he expect to recruit our next class with this guy on his staff. That's not a shot at DeBord. It just doesn't make sense.
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Because he will have an entire season to prove that he is a quality OC. He also will have plenty of time to talk with the '16 class and beyond.

I don't think it's that Butch doesn't think we can recruit well with Debord. I would say that it was so late in the '15 recruiting process that you would have little time and no current proof for Debord to show his worth to any '15 recruit that may be concerned.
 
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#877
#877
The caretaker of Tennessee football says I'll announce the new OC when I get good and ready.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Agreed. It's almost like dating a girl you're ashamed of but eventually have to introduce her. If it is Debord then why wait unless you are concerned about losing recruits and in that case that should tell you it's probably not a good idea.
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To be fair, you totally do this for a crazy hot redhead after you see if her hotness outweighs the crazy.
 
#879
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Kook said:
Because he will have an entire season to prove that he is a quality OC. He also will have plenty of time to talk with the '16 class and beyond.

I don't think it's that Butch doesn't think we can recruit well with Debord. I would say that it was so late in the '15 recruiting process that you would have little time and no current proof for Debord to show his worth to any '15 recruit that may be concerned.
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Well, from the sound of things, we are about to find out if your theory works.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
If Butch is concerned about a DeBord announcement now ruining the recruiting class, how does he expect to recruit our next class with this guy on his staff. That's not a shot at DeBord. It just doesn't make sense.
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Because if DeBord performs next year, and the team does well, then he doesn't have to explain the decision.
 
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Hayezb said:
So our offensive recruits know who their coach will be?
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They don't want them to know at this point because they know he is not the name hire for which many are looking.

People fall for sizzle with no steak. DeBord is steak with no sizzle. Most, including recruits, have a hard time processing this concept.
 
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#883
I think it's Debord. I do feel that Butch likely would rather keep the fan backlash from possibly effecting recruiting. I do not feel like any recruit would be that concerned if it is Debord outside of the fan reaction. Be honest do you think most recruits in the southeast know who the hell Mike Debord or Mike Sanford are without googling it?

I like Sanford but I don't blame Butch if he wants to go with the guy he trusts and knows better. If Debord is the OC just support him until he screws up at least. Nothing is gained by tearing down the staff or the program until then, the hire will not change. It just hurts the program to be negative. If he screws up or sucks then by all means eviscerate him but at least give the guy a chance whoever it is.
 
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DaddyChad said:
...I do not feel like any recruit would be that concerned if it is Debord outside of the fan reaction. Be honest do you think most recruits in the southeast know who the hell Mike Debord or Mike Sanford are without googling it?
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But they DO google it. And they google it a heck of a lot faster than most of us can, if my college-age daughters are any indication. Kids who have grown up with smart phones can outperform the CIA in gathering reams of open-source intelligence on any topic in short periods of time.

Plus, these kids have much more of a vested interest in the future OC than we fans; it's our entertainment, their future career.

Yep, the future class of of 2019/2020(rs) know who DeBord and Sanford are. They're savvy, probably more savvy than the vast majority of us, and they're paying attention. Let's don't underestimate them in this matter.

I like the rest of your post -- just wanted to provide a correction on this one point.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
I would think he calls the plays. There is a reason Vanderbilt and Ohio State wanted to hire him. If we don't hire Sanford. I hope Debord and Azzani are Co OC's. I really want Azzani to stay.
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Possibly. Have to remember Chaney didn't call the plays while Lane was here and I think Chaney was a pretty decent OC. There are situations where the head coach calls the plays, no idea if that is the case at Boise. Even if it is it doesn't mean Sanford would be a bad OC, just a possible question. I would be interested to hear someone talk about his offenses though and see what influences he has in his philosophy since he is directly or indirectly been associated with those from Meyer(dad was OC for), Harbaugh(came after Jim but that offense stayed intact for Stanford), and Peterson's coaching trees.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
But they DO google it. And they google it a heck of a lot faster than most of us can, if my college-age daughters are any indication. Kids who have grown up with smart phones can outperform the CIA in gathering reams of open-source intelligence on any topic in short periods of time.

Plus, these kids have much more of a vested interest in the future OC than we fans; it's our entertainment, their future career.

Yep, the future class of of 2019/2020(rs) know who DeBord and Sanford are. They're savvy, probably more savvy than the vast majority of us, and they're paying attention. Let's don't underestimate them in this matter.

I like the rest of your post -- just wanted to provide a correction on this one point.
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Well yes but the point is if you do not have familiarity with the choice you are probably more easily sold or turned off to that choice by those surrounding you. Honestly no one has an idea whether Debord or Sanford will be a good hire. Debord has kind of been denounced due to his age and time away from the game. It's still Butch's offense, he should understand better than anyone who is capable of installing and implementing it. I trust his judgment, so should anyone choosing to play for him.
 
#887
#887
So... an update thread right? I'm hopelessly out of the loop at this point, is DeBord still the guy everyone thinks is going to be OC?
 
#888
#888
We're still at "no one who knows is talking, and no one who is talking knows."

There are some threads with people who claim they know (in a variety of directions), but nothing official yet.
 
#889
#889
Kook said:
So, like I said. Why would you announce Debord before NSD? ...Looks like Butch agrees.
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Yet again you say nothing to back up your stance.

Do you have anything meaningful to contribute or are you just going to keep asking the same question?
 
#890
#890
Originally Posted by Doyle Hargraves View Post
If Butch is concerned about a DeBord announcement now ruining the recruiting class, how does he expect to recruit our next class with this guy on his staff. That's not a shot at DeBord. It just doesn't make sense.

Kook said:
Because he will have an entire season to prove that he is a quality OC. He also will have plenty of time to talk with the '16 class and beyond.

I don't think it's that Butch doesn't think we can recruit well with Debord. I would say that it was so late in the '15 recruiting process that you would have little time and no current proof for Debord to show his worth to any '15 recruit that may be concerned.
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Wow, when stated as "no current proof" of worth/value, it really hits home as being spooky. Hope that results in "bright future ability and worth."

In other words, this rationale is more discouraging that comforting.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Originally Posted by Doyle Hargraves View Post
If Butch is concerned about a DeBord announcement now ruining the recruiting class, how does he expect to recruit our next class with this guy on his staff. That's not a shot at DeBord. It just doesn't make sense.



Wow, when stated as "no current proof" of worth/value, it really hits home as being spooky. Hope that results in "bright future ability and worth."

In other words, this rationale is more discouraging that comforting.
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Lol, exactly. Not the ringing endorsement you want when your are entering your third year with high expectations. Seems like it's a lets hire this guy and hopefully we can prove it was the right hire instead of just hiring the best coach.
 
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#892
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UTFootballFan said:
They don't want them to know at this point because they know he is not the name hire for which many are looking.

People fall for sizzle with no steak. DeBord is steak with no sizzle. Most, including recruits, have a hard time processing this concept.
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So much so that he has been out of coaching for two years and out of the college game for over 7 years. If he was such a great or even good coach, why isn't he currently coaching? Why is he an administrator of Olympic sport?
 
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patrick said:
So much so that he has been out of coaching for two years and out of the college game for over 7 years. If he was such a great or even good coach, why isn't he currently coaching? Why is he an administrator of Olympic sport?
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So, why is Jones considering hiring him? Is Jones just a complete idiot?
 
#897
#897
UTFootballFan said:
Doesn't warrant a response. Complete idiocy.
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But you found a way to respond anyway. Nice job quoting an article about sizzle and Steak from a week ago.

Not everyone will agree with you that Debord is the way to go. It's Butchs call and we will see how it plays out.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Doesn't warrant a response. Complete idiocy.
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Looking back, I already regret responding to any of this.

It's all opinions. Some are worth more to me than others.

Travis Stephens was here early on in the thread and said if it was Debord, that was not a bad thing...

I give his well spoken thoughts and unique vantage points, more value than the alternative.
 
#899
#899
Hayezb said:
Yet again you say nothing to back up your stance.

Do you have anything meaningful to contribute or are you just going to keep asking the same question?
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Nothing to back up my stance? I am just saying the risk/reward is not worth announcing before NSD. Why would I need to back up my opinion, it's just an opinion.

But, as far people who seem to agree with my stance... Butch has yet to announce, if he does not announce tomorrow, it looks like my "stance" is backed up.

The fact that the 247 guys are talking about the announcement coming on wednesday, which you have seen, also "backs my stance".
 
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Spawn said:
But you found a way to respond anyway. Nice job quoting an article about sizzle and Steak from a week ago.

Not everyone will agree with you that Debord is the way to go. It's Butchs call and we will see how it plays out.
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I made a statement. I did not respond to the idiocy.
 
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