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butchna said:
It seems like your sister has been on top of this a long time...astounds me. My wife beat everything cancer gave her...until it got in her brain. Can't do the scenario of multiple years fighting something literally in your mind. Is it isolated at the base? Feel like I didn't pray enough last night...will double my efforts today.
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The brain stem was where she was initially diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. It affects the nervous system so everything from the brain to the spinal cord will have the lesions. She has really been on top of it. It seems to have gotten worse in the last year though.
 
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Morning rednecks,

Anyone have a good recommendation for a decent yet affordable hotel in Gatlinburg? I'll be spending Valentine's in the area this year, and while I usually stay with my brother at his place on campus I don't think that's going to work this time with the old lady in tow, if you know what I mean.

TIA
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
As long as they can pass heir drug tests and avoid the police, who cares if our players smoke some weed in their free time? It's a legal wrong, not a moral wrong. And US law has shown itself to be anything but grounded in morality.
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I do because if they do happen to get caught, it hurts the team. I agree with you in that there is not all that much wrong with weed itself but it is still illegal and if caught, there is likely going to be consequences and I don't want to lose a game because one of our players couldn't put down the ganja.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I do because if they do happen to get caught, it hurts the team. I agree with you in that there is not all that much wrong with weed itself but it is still illegal and if caught, there is likely going to be consequences and I don't want to lose a game because one of our players couldn't put down the ganja.
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Players are going to smoke though. There was an ESPN (or maybe SI) article a few years back with former players that speculated that up to 1/3 of NCAA football players smoke at least occasionally. NFL scouts automatically assume that a kid who says he never smoked weed in college are lying when they do interviews at the NFL combine.

There are plenty of players on our team smoking right now. There are plenty smoking at every school. Hell, AJ had a grinder in his room when he was being investigated. That party of theirs that got busted the previous summer had weed present. But he was smart enough to put the joint down for a few weeks before a drug test and to avoid the police (for weed at least).

Obviously I'd rather them not smoke because it puts them in jeopardy to lose playing time, but that's just not going to happen. I'm not gonna flip a wig and kick a kid off the team or not bring him in just because he's smoking (especially if he can pass his drug tests). Why take an elite player out of the equation over a little weed? Better to take a chance and get a game changer.



Now, if we were talking about real crime like robbery or domestic abuse that's another story.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Players are going to smoke though. There was an ESPN (or maybe SI) article a few years back with former players that speculated that up to 1/3 of NCAA football players smoke at least occasionally. NFL scouts automatically assume that a kid who says he never smoked weed in college are lying when they do interviews at the NFL combine.

There are plenty of players on our team smoking right now. There are plenty smoking at every school. Hell, AJ had a grinder in his room when he was being investigated. That party of theirs that got busted the previous summer had weed present. But he was smart enough to put the joint down for a few weeks before a drug test and to avoid the police (for weed at least).

Obviously I'd rather them not smoke because it puts them in jeopardy to lose playing time, but that's just not going to happen. I'm not gonna flip a wig and kick a kid off the team or not bring him in just because he's smoking (especially if he can pass his drug tests). Why take an elite player out of the equation over a little weed? Better to take a chance and get a game changer.



Now, if we were talking about real crime like robbery or domestic abuse that's another story.
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Oddly enough, when investigating crimes like robbery, domestic violence, and even more serious crimes, illegal drugs (like weed) are also part of the equation. Robbery so a person can afford their habit, very common.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Players are going to smoke though. There was an ESPN (or maybe SI) article a few years back with former players that speculated that up to 1/3 of NCAA football players smoke at least occasionally. NFL scouts automatically assume that a kid who says he never smoked weed in college are lying when they do interviews at the NFL combine.

There are plenty of players on our team smoking right now. There are plenty smoking at every school. Hell, AJ had a grinder in his room when he was being investigated. That party of theirs that got busted the previous summer had weed present. But he was smart enough to put the joint down for a few weeks before a drug test and to avoid the police (for weed at least).

Obviously I'd rather them not smoke because it puts them in jeopardy to lose playing time, but that's just not going to happen. I'm not gonna flip a wig and kick a kid off the team or not bring him in just because he's smoking (especially if he can pass his drug tests). Why take an elite player out of the equation over a little weed? Better to take a chance and get a game changer.



Now, if we were talking about real crime like robbery or domestic abuse that's another story.[/QUOTE

Yes players use drugs. The NCAA encourages it with ineffective drug policies. The whole thing is a farce to begin with. You can fail the same test multiple times before it is considered a failed test.

If I were a player and could come back in ten years with some adverse effect from doing drugs I would find me a crooked lawyer and sue the schools and NCAA for creating an environment that supported my dependence. Not very far fetched considering where the helmet lawsuits will be heading in the next couple of years.
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Players are going to smoke though. There was an ESPN (or maybe SI) article a few years back with former players that speculated that up to 1/3 of NCAA football players smoke at least occasionally. NFL scouts automatically assume that a kid who says he never smoked weed in college are lying when they do interviews at the NFL combine.

There are plenty of players on our team smoking right now. There are plenty smoking at every school. Hell, AJ had a grinder in his room when he was being investigated. That party of theirs that got busted the previous summer had weed present. But he was smart enough to put the joint down for a few weeks before a drug test and to avoid the police (for weed at least).

Obviously I'd rather them not smoke because it puts them in jeopardy to lose playing time, but that's just not going to happen. I'm not gonna flip a wig and kick a kid off the team or not bring him in just because he's smoking (especially if he can pass his drug tests). Why take an elite player out of the equation over a little weed? Better to take a chance and get a game changer.



Now, if we were talking about real crime like robbery or domestic abuse that's another story.
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100% on point here. Not to get off topic so I'll be brief, but 20 years from now we will realistically look back on marijuana prohibition much like alcohol prohibition and laugh. Until then, if players of any school will take the risk, I simply hope they keep a low profile and make smart decisions. It's ridiculous that players can get in trouble for it (or anyone for that matter, especially given the devastating effects alcohol can have on society/families/health) in my opinion, but until it no longer matters I hope they simply avoid it.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
100% on point here. Not to get off topic so I'll be brief, but 20 years from now we will realistically look back on marijuana prohibition much like alcohol prohibition and laugh. Until then, if players of any school will take the risk, I simply hope they keep a low profile and make smart decisions. It's ridiculous that players can get in trouble for it (or anyone for that matter, especially given the devastating effects alcohol can have on society/families/health) in my opinion, but until it no longer matters I hope they simply avoid it.
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When it's made legal in the state of TN, I'll have no issue with UT players using. Obviously with it being illegal, players who use IMO should be 1 three game suspension for 1st offense and I'd dismiss them for a 2nd. If you don't want problems, don't knowing break the law. Simple.
 
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onevol74 said:
Darth_Shiveman said:
Players are going to smoke though. There was an ESPN (or maybe SI) article a few years back with former players that speculated that up to 1/3 of NCAA football players smoke at least occasionally. NFL scouts automatically assume that a kid who says he never smoked weed in college are lying when they do interviews at the NFL combine.

There are plenty of players on our team smoking right now. There are plenty smoking at every school. Hell, AJ had a grinder in his room when he was being investigated. That party of theirs that got busted the previous summer had weed present. But he was smart enough to put the joint down for a few weeks before a drug test and to avoid the police (for weed at least).

Obviously I'd rather them not smoke because it puts them in jeopardy to lose playing time, but that's just not going to happen. I'm not gonna flip a wig and kick a kid off the team or not bring him in just because he's smoking (especially if he can pass his drug tests). Why take an elite player out of the equation over a little weed? Better to take a chance and get a game changer.



Now, if we were talking about real crime like robbery or domestic abuse that's another story.[/QUOTE

Yes players use drugs. The NCAA encourages it with ineffective drug policies. The whole thing is a farce to begin with. You can fail the same test multiple times before it is considered a failed test.

If I were a player and could come back in ten years with some adverse effect from doing drugs I would find me a crooked lawyer and sue the schools and NCAA for creating an environment that supported my dependence. Not very far fetched considering where the helmet lawsuits will be heading in the next couple of years.
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The NCAA standards for what constitutes a failed drug test are actually much, much more stringent than most pro sports. You can have (I believe) 7X more THC in your system and pass an MLB drug test and about 10X as much and pass one in the NFL.

Personally, I don't think the NCAA has any business drug testing athletes for recreational drugs in the first place. Students on other scholarships don't have to pass drug tests to maintain eligibility (at least not until they've had a run in with the law). Smoking weed doesn't endanger the athletes and the more focused guys will avoid it anyway.
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Oddly enough, when investigating crimes like robbery, domestic violence, and even more serious crimes, illegal drugs (like weed) are also part of the equation. Robbery so a person can afford their habit, very common.
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Any investigator worth a damn isn't going to use the presence of weed (at least not small smoke able amounts...bulk amounts are a different story as that implies trafficking/dealing) as evidence that someone is guilty of robbery or domestic violence. Weed is one of the cheapest drugs there is (tobacco and alcohol included) and makes people more inclined to sit on the couch and eat Cheetos than to hit their wife.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
When it's made legal in the state of TN, I'll have no issue with UT players using. Obviously with it being illegal, players who use IMO should be 1 three game suspension for 1st offense and I'd dismiss them for a 2nd. If you don't want problems, don't knowing break the law. Simple.
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If that's the case and illegality is your issue, then you'd have to do the same for underage drinking (which is also illegal). And you'd have sat about 12 freshmen for the first three games of the season (for the citations in the summer) and then Hurd would've sat the bowl game and the first two next year (Oklahoma included).

And you'd have been fired for missing a bowl game and we'd have hired a coach with a rational world view that allows for grey areas and doesn't blindly accept the infallibility of the law.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
When it's made legal in the state of TN, I'll have no issue with UT players using. Obviously with it being illegal, players who use IMO should be 1 three game suspension for 1st offense and I'd dismiss them for a 2nd. If you don't want problems, don't knowing break the law. Simple.
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Agreed, I hate it (as a non smoker myself), but it is the law.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Any investigator worth a damn isn't going to use the presence of weed (at least not small smoke able amounts...bulk amounts are a different story as that implies trafficking/dealing) as evidence that someone is guilty of robbery or domestic violence. Weed is one of the cheapest drugs there is (tobacco and alcohol included) and makes people more inclined to sit on the couch and eat Cheetos than to hit their wife.
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Nukeese, Mike, Janzen and armed robbery trying to get the cash to support a habit might be a good one to look at when claiming weed doesn't hurt these players.
 
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"Reverend" Jim Ignatowski: Yeah, I did some drugs, though probably not as many as you think. How many drugs do you think I did?

Elaine Nardo: A lot.

"Reverend" Jim Ignatowski: Wow! Right on the nose!
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If that's the case and illegality is your issue, then you'd have to do the same for underage drinking (which is also illegal). And you'd have sat about 12 freshmen for the first three games of the season (for the citations in the summer) and then Hurd would've sat the bowl game and the first two next year (Oklahoma included).

And you'd have been fired for missing a bowl game and we'd have hired a coach with a rational world view that allows for grey areas and doesn't blindly accept the infallibility of the law.
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Players drinking and underage, if you have seen my posts when it happens, I say throw the book at them. Ya wanna ignore the law, don't ask why it's all going bad when caught.
 
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