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#977
#977
volbeast33 said:
What tax laws, and business regulations would u change? I agree the war on drugs is a giant failure but Im not sure legalizing all of it wont make society much worse.
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I've always dreamed of owning and operating my own brewery, so I can think of a few related to that one specific industry. There is a prohibitively large exise tax to be paid for every gallon sold. In Tennessee it is $1.15 per gallon. Beer has small margins as it is, so this tax makes it very difficult to make money as a brewer in Tennessee. Then of course there are all the permits and licenses. I asked the owner of Chattanooga Brewing Company one time how much he had sunk in to all of those items. He told me about $60,000. At the time, his business probably wasn't worth more than $500,000 total. That's an absurd hurdle to try to get past. Then if you want to sell high gravity beer on premises, you have to pay another couple thousand bucks a year for that permit. God help you if a government employee comes by and sees one of your employees on the brew platform without his hard hard hat on. Fines out the wazoo and mandatory safety training and on and on.
 
#979
#979
volbeast33 said:
Give an example of a better govt system..... I ask these kind of questions on this board a lot and no one ever states a better way of doing things. They always list what their perception of what is wrong with the current system.
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If a government has to grant itself power to steal money from people just to pay the bills, then it is too big. I'm not proposing a whole new system. I would like to see a government that is so small, it could be funded by volunteer tax payers. Take away 80% of the crap our government has granted itself lordship of, and you've got a perfectly good system that is capable of protecting liberty.
 
#980
#980
SamRebel35 said:
If a government has to grant itself power to steal money from people just to pay the bills, then it is too big. I'm not proposing a whole new system. I would like to see a government that is so small, it could be funded by volunteer tax payers. Take away 80% of the crap our government has granted itself lordship of, and you've got a perfectly good system that is capable of protecting liberty.
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Volunteer tax paying? LOL I'm 100% behind that bc I won't be paying sh$t
 
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#983
volbeast33 said:
Of course.....there won't be an army or help for our elderly, sick, and disabled.
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Elderly, sick and disabled would be just fine in private systems. Military would be funded. There would be enough contributors that believed in national security. But you would be more than welcome not to contribute if you don't think it is a worthy use of your money.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Elderly, sick and disabled would be just fine in private systems. Military would be funded. There would be enough contributors that believed in national security. But you would be more than welcome not to contribute if you don't think it is a worthy use of your money.
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How would the elderly and others be taken care of in private systems? I think u think too highly of ur fellow Americans.....how would other federally funded programs get funding?
 
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#985
volbeast33 said:
How would the elderly and others be taken care of in private systems? I think u think too highly of ur fellow Americans.....how would other federally funded programs get funding?
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Sounds to me like you think too highly of a centralized power that takes money from citizens using the threat of coercion. Don't understimate the enginuity or compassion of your fellow Americans. If those downtrodden masses (though there would probably be significantly fewer in this type of society) weren't taken care of via donations and volunteers, there would probably be several entrepeneurs that would be up to the challenge of fulfilling a market need.

As far as the other government programs, they would get funding the same way as the military. If they couldn't be afforded, they wouldn't exist.
 
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#986
SamRebel35 said:
I sincerely doubt you've visited many countries that have as many tax laws, business regulations, and drug war victims as we do. But hey, as long as we all get to strap on our Monsanto feed bags and veg out watching our giant flat screen televisions, we're all good.
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I don't think there are any other countries with as many tax laws and business regulations as the USA.
 
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#988
n_huffhines said:
Well, for starters, not put us $18T in debt. If they operated within their means, it would take care of quite a lot of their infringement on liberty.
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I agree 100% with that part and with too many regulations but I don't exactly consider that tyranny.
 
#989
#989
volbeast33 said:
I agree 100% with that part and with too many regulations but I don't exactly consider that tyranny.
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It's hard to find something in your house that isn't regulated by one of the multitudes of government bureaucracies.
 
#990
#990
volbeast33 said:
I agree 100% with that part and with too many regulations but I don't exactly consider that tyranny.
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About regulations....I don't know what else you call a government that denies people potentially life-saving drugs because they are not approved. That's tyrannical, if you ask me.

Also, regulations are the least of our worries when it comes to our budget. You gotta take a chainsaw to the military budget, entitlements, welfare, subsidies, etc.
 
#991
#991
n_huffhines said:
About regulations....I don't know what else you call a government that denies people potentially life-saving drugs because they are not approved. That's tyrannical, if you ask me.

Also, regulations are the least of our worries when it comes to our budget. You gotta take a chainsaw to the military budget, entitlements, welfare, subsidies, etc.
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What drugs are u talking about?
 
#996
#996
n_huffhines said:
That's fine, but they don't need to ban anything in order to test and approve drugs.
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It's banned until it meets all standards....it seems like it takes too long but I have no idea bc I am not a part of the testing process.... Let some pharmaceutical company rush production of a drug with claims that it can cure this and that but instead the patient dies from it.....Watch how quick that goes to litigation.
 
#997
#997
volbeast33 said:
It's banned until it meets all standards....it seems like it takes too long but I have no idea bc I am not a part of the testing process.... Let some pharmaceutical company rush production of a drug with claims that it can cure this and that but instead the patient dies from it.....Watch how quick that goes to litigation.
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It takes an average of 10 years. So if a drug can save 100 lives per year, the government killed 1,000 people because they don't allow them the choice to take it.

Allow people to use experimental drugs if they want. After all, they are the ones that assume the risk. Cautious people like yourself can wait until it gets approval. Win/win.
 
#998
#998
n_huffhines said:
It takes an average of 10 years. So if a drug can save 100 lives per year, the government killed 1,000 people because they don't allow them the choice to take it.

Allow people to use experimental drugs if they want. After all, they are the ones that assume the risk. Cautious people like yourself can wait until it gets approval. Win/win.
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I can agree with that if they make stricter litigation laws in the USA bc there is no assuming the risk when it comes to that sort of thing.....look at all the pay-outs over phen-phen and other products.
 
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#999
SamRebel35 said:
If a government has to grant itself power to steal money from people just to pay the bills, then it is too big. I'm not proposing a whole new system. I would like to see a government that is so small, it could be funded by volunteer tax payers. Take away 80% of the crap our government has granted itself lordship of, and you've got a perfectly good system that is capable of protecting liberty.
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I know some of this sounds good in theory but I have severe doubts in practice.....my dad went to Russia on a mission trip to help redo a hospital. It had light bulbs hanging down from exposed wires and was pretty much trashed. Due to their socialistic system, my dad couldn't beg the people there to come and help. If you don't make people pay some form of taxes then they won't do it on their own free will and most of the things we enjoy will go away.
 
#1,000
#1,000
volbeast33 said:
I know some of this sounds good in theory but I have severe doubts in practice.....my dad went to Russia on a mission trip to help redo a hospital. It had light bulbs hanging down from exposed wires and was pretty much trashed. Due to their socialistic system, my dad couldn't beg the people there to come and help. If you don't make people pay some form of taxes then they won't do it on their own free will and most of the things we enjoy will go away.
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I don't follow your line of reasoning.
 
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