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I4Jay said:
Not really a white fan. Saw Kevin white from TCU completely shut him down. Easy win for Cam

Pig vs Karl Joseph would be epic for my local boys . Karl Joseph has so many blow up hits it's ridiculous. Google his highlights. Loved his game in HS. A tad undersized.
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I love baby Bob Sanders. Huge fan of Joseph. :)

I want the White versus Sutton matchup for more national hype for Sutton. I have no doubt about #23 in Orange. :)
 
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VolGee4 said:
I will say it again. As mush as us fans think it is, salary is not all about the coach's won-loss record. It simply isn't. There are MANY things that go into it. Do you want Derek Dooley as an employee or do you want Butch Jones as an employee?

It is also like investing in a stock: you are putting money into it knowing enough about it. But, you expect the company to make money and keep growing and at some point in the future, you will be rewarded.
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Fulmer made this speech at the celebration for the national championship.

He was talking to Dickey prior to the year.

Dickey "Phillip why you looking so down?"
Fulmer "Just a lot going on with the team"
Dickey "Don't worry, we still love you"
Fulmer "Will you love still love if we don't win a game?"
Dickey " Of course we will still love you, I mean we're going to miss you but we will still love you."


I am a Butch fan and I hope he's here for 30 years.
 
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volatil said:
Let's do the math on this.

Say he has a 20 mill/year contract for say 5 years.

We fire him 2 years into it........

There is a buyout. We would have to pay him a large amount of money. You don't just fire coaches and say "hit the road". They have contracts. This particular fantasy contract would end football at UT forever if it didn't work out.
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I think you are missing the point. That aside, you presume all sorts of facts not in evidence, and this is simply a hypothetical to illustrate that a coaches salary and fan satisfaction shouldn't be related, yet it appears to be.

If you want to get technical, there is no reason for a 20 million a year hypothetical salary contract to include a buy out provision. Why? the odds that some other school are going to pay him more, already roughly 4x what the top paid coaches are, is low. So, the coach leaving for better pay is a non-factor. Conversely, and for the same reasons, he wouldn't need a buyout should he be fired early, as he is already making more in one year than he would make in 4 at the best job elsewhere.

Therefore, assumed in this hypothetical, is that the school and the coach are protected by yearly higher salary contract instead of lower salary guaranteed over a longer period.
 
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@Gil_Brandt: My wildcard for #Michigan is Greg Schiano, might even be front-runner. Will get excellent recommendations from high-powered #NFL coaches

Former VP of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys (1960-'89) ... NFL.com senior analyst.
 
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eazyTD said:
Not wanting to continue a rivalry when a school leaves the conference is one thing. Flat out refusing to play them in a neutral site bowl game is another.
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Still a lot of singed feathers after the Longhorn Network fiasco...and the superior attitude that's traditionally emanated from Austin. Aggies put up with a lot...hard to argue their reluctance to jump right back in.
 
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This list was prior to the season and raises

SEC head coaches salaries 2014



Nick Saban Alabama $6.9 million
Kevin Sumlin Texas A&M $5 million
Les Miles LSU $4.3 million
Steve Spurrier South Carolina $4.0 million
Gus Malzahn Auburn $3.85 million
Bret Bielema Arkansas $3.2 million
Mark Richt Georgia $3.2 million
Gary Pinkel Missouri $3.1 million
Hugh Freeze Ole Miss $3.0 million
Will Muschamp Florida $3.0 million
Butch Jones Tennessee $3.0 million
Dan Mullen Mississippi State $2.65 million
Mark Stoops Kentucky $2.2 million
 
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daj2576 said:
Why does money that you aren't responsible for even remotely affect your vision?

It isn't like Jones making more means you, or anyone here, makes less, right?
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I have said repeatedly pay him whatever amount just protect the program from being handicapped if it doesn't go as expected. Look at what UF is having to dole out due to the Muschamp contract. Muschamp had a better 1st 2 years than Butch. I believe Butch is the guy but I am not niave either.
 
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"Sure coach, you can have your $4M. It's also going to come with a $500k buyout for us and a $5M buyout for you. Just think of it as protecting our investment"
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don't think the average fan cares what Butch is paid. I don't understand why everybody here does.

It's not my money. Pay him $20 million a year for all I care, just don't word the contract so he can't be terminated if he doesn't fulfill expectations.

Also, coaching salaries are going through a period of inflation. 4 million now is what 3.5 was before the SEC network went 24/7.
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If you're in one of the 43% of American households that don't pay income taxes, do you not care how the money is spent? You'd be cool with raising salaries to whatever amount paid officials wanted, because it's not your money?

Every dollar spent on one thing is a dollar that could be spent on something else. UT has a lot of financial obligations, many stemming from bad decisions made by inept administrators. I do care how the money is spent, and I would like it to be spent as prudently as possible.
 
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What "bothers" me about coaching contracts is not at all their salaries it's the huge terms and often high payouts for the school. I'd avocate paying Butch more if it allowed the University more flexibilty. As example say Butch got just 3.25 but it came with 4 years and a 6.5 million dollar payout to Butch if we part ways. That would be worse than a 4million dollar deal.
 
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vol2002 said:
@Gil_Brandt: My wildcard for #Michigan is Greg Schiano, might even be front-runner. Will get excellent recommendations from high-powered #NFL coaches

Former VP of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys (1960-'89) ... NFL.com senior analyst.
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This is what I've heard. If Les Miles wavers, Schiano is next on the list. IDT Les wants to take on the rebuilding.
 
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Kyle Wittingham and Steve Adazzio being thrown around for Mich job as candidates that could land now
 
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I get that we all have different opinions about this. To me, these buyouts landed us in the position we are right now.

We got very lucky to get Butch. It could have ended up in another Dooley type hire due to paying the buyout of Dooley and Fulmer at the same time. That coupled with the debacle that was Kiffin's buyout, almost ruined this program. Kiffin should have had a crazy buyout for him to leave.

Forgive me for being so pessimistic when it comes to these contracts. We have been burned on them for so long now.
 
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volatil said:
I get that we all have different opinions about this. To me, these buyouts landed us in the position we are right now.

We got very lucky to get Butch. It could have ended up in another Dooley type hire due to paying the buyout of Dooley and Fulmer at the same time. That coupled with the debacle that was Kiffin's buyout, almost ruined this program. Kiffin should have had a crazy buyout for him to leave.

Forgive me for being so pessimistic when it comes to these contracts. We have been burned on them for so long now.
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I think we all understand your sentiments. :hi:
 
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