Ferguson Riots

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Vol8188 said:
That's insane that good officers may lose their jobs over this.
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It may not even happen, the reporter just said their is a push by "senior Missouri law enforcement officials" to disband the department. Personally I would think it would be better for them to stay in existence and operate under a DoJ consent decree than be outright disbanded.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If the sense is that there will be no indictment, you could a) leak information that kind of sets that up so as to take some of the shock value off of the decision; and b) turn over law enforcement to a pre-existing county agency, sort of give the protestors something of value, to keep things calm.
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The former Chief of the County PD agrees with you about the leaks;

UPDATED: Former Police Chief Speaks on Latest Michael Brown Shooting Information « CBS St. Louis

Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two – to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly,” he says. “When I say this is phase two – phase one was really Eric Holder’s announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.”

Fitch says he thinks the feds recognize that it’s “probably very unlikely” that there’s going to be charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
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When will we see white people rioting in Virginia? And can we count on Al and Jesse to make an appearance there complaining about race based crime?
 
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@chriskingstl · 2h 2 hours ago

Friend w/ friends at @CivilRights says more, worse leaks from federal Darren Wilson case will appear in WashPost tomorrow.

Something to keep an eye out for tomorrow, also same reporter who said there is a push to disband the local Ferguson PD.
 
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More info; Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him : News

After he finished with a call for a sick baby, Wilson said, he spotted Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, walking down the middle of Canfield Drive, with traffic passing on both sides.

Wilson asked or ordered the men to move to the sidewalk, said the source, who did not want to be identified because a St. Louis County grand jury and the Department of Justice are still investigating.

Johnson pointed out the pair’s destination, over and behind Wilson’s marked police Chevrolet Tahoe SUV, and kept walking.

Brown walked by holding cigarillos in his hand, and cursed Wilson, the source said.

Wilson told investigators that after Brown passed by, Wilson realized that Johnson’s clothing matched a recent radio alert about a suspect in a robbery at a nearby market where cigarillos had been taken. Wilson radioed for assistance and backed up his SUV to Brown and Johnson.

The source said Wilson told investigators he had placed the SUV in park. When Wilson tried to get out of the SUV, Brown slammed its door shut and punched Wilson in the left side of the face through the open window, the source said.

Wilson, trapped in the front seat, couldn’t use his pepper spray in the confined space because it would incapacitate him as well. His baton was at the back of his utility belt, where he was essentially sitting on it. He did not have a Taser. So he drew his gun.

Brown grabbed the pistol using his right hand, with his elbow against Wilson. Wilson described Brown as incredibly strong, the source said.

During the struggle, Brown handed the cigarillos to Johnson, then swung his left hand and hit Wilson on the right side of the face. Wilson said he almost lost consciousness, the source said. Brown then began to use his left hand in the struggle for the gun, and turned the pistol until the barrel was against Wilson’s hip.

Wilson positioned his finger to try to prevent Brown from reaching the trigger. When Wilson pulled himself back toward the passenger side of the SUV, Brown’s grip loosened enough for Wilson to try to pull the trigger, the source said.

But the gun didn’t fire. Wilson said he believed that Brown’s hand may have been on the hammer, preventing it from moving, the source said.

The second time Wilson pulled the trigger, the gun did fire. Wilson told investigators he thought the bullet had struck Brown in the hand, the source said. Broken window glass was everywhere, and blood was on the door, the gun and Wilson’s hands. At the time, Wilson said, he wasn’t sure whose blood it was.

The struggle continued, and Wilson attempted to pull the trigger twice more. The source said Wilson thought Brown’s hand may have interfered again. Wilson was able to fire a second shot, and Brown ran.

Wilson used his radio to report that shots had been fired and ask for additional cars, but during the struggle, his radio had been switched from the Ferguson channel, the source said.

Wilson said he had gotten out of the SUV and chased Brown.

The source said Wilson did not recall yelling or saying anything then, but Brown had stopped and turned.

Wilson said Brown had not had his hands up; his left hand was slightly out, fingers pointing down. His right hand was grasping his shirt. Then, Wilson told investigators, Brown began running toward him.

Wilson said he had yelled for Brown to stop, then fired, the source said. Brown flinched as if he was hit, and Wilson said he had stopped shooting. Brown continued running toward him, and Wilson said he had fired several more shots. The source said that Wilson had recalled that Brown’s head was down when the last shot hit him there.

When Brown fell to the ground, his forward momentum caused his feet to fly up, Wilson said.

Wilson then made another radio call, for an ambulance.

Later, Wilson drove himself to the police station and was taken to the hospital by other officers. Wilson said he had bruises on the left and right sides of his face and scratches on his neck, the source said. He had no broken bones.
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LouderVol said:
in the link it says the levels of THC in his blood stream might have been enough to cause hallucinations, and said THC is found in MJ. I always thought MJ didn't have enough THC to cause that level of high. any thoughts?
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Depends on the strand of it. It can have varying levels. He apparently got the pineapple express.
 
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tim said:
Lol. Not saying he did, just referring to how weed has been made more powerful thru science
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Seems more and more like they are trying to let the crowd down slowly, rather than all at once, so that there isn't any real surprise at the outcome.
 
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govols/cc said:
Lol. Let them down?
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Sure. They are amped up, hoping for an indictment. If there isn't one, then setting that up in advance as to the reasons why will go along way to not having the crowd just assume the worst.

Remember the Trayvon Martin incident? By the time the not guilty verdict came in there had been so much talk of why the evidence would not support a conviction that there were essentially NO riots and only very mild protests the day of the verdict.

Lowering expectations will dull the reaction.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sure. They are amped up, hoping for an indictment. If there isn't one, then setting that up in advance as to the reasons why will go along way to not having the crowd just assume the worst.

Remember the Trayvon Martin incident? By the time the not guilty verdict came in there had been so much talk of why the evidence would not support a conviction that there were essentially NO riots and only very mild protests the day of the verdict.

Lowering expectations will dull the reaction.
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So you're saying they're too irrational & dumb to weigh the evidence & realize it was justified? Or maybe they think assault on cops & thuggery is acceptable? Or maybe all of the above & add racist?
 
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How about we handle this as it should be, and when people can't behave and act properly they get arrested, as they should.

Why do the majority of good citizens need to see the unruly and out of control not be punished for acting so? Because they're mad? Because they can't control their outrage and emotions? Seems to me the country should stop cowtowwing to those who refuse to act as civilized citizens, as any other time lynch mobs wouldn't be acceptable, but, somehow here, the "law" needs to be empathetic or sympathetic to their "plight"? BS.
 
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govols/cc said:
So you're saying they're too irrational & dumb to weigh the evidence & realize it was justified? Or maybe they think assault on cops & thuggery is acceptable? Or maybe all of the above & add racist?
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I do think that they are rejecting evidence that does not fit the narrative they already have in their heads and so they have an expectation. The best way to overcome that is a stead drumbeat of facts that desensitize them to the news of no indictment.

As for the rest, I think the community there perceives things differently than outsiders might. Whether that is justified I don't know, and neither do you. They should not assume, based on their own collective experiences and perceptions, that the officer acted wrongly, but human nature being what it is, is anyone really surprised?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I do think that they are rejecting evidence that does not fit the narrative they already have in their heads and so they have an expectation. The best way to overcome that is a stead drumbeat of facts that desensitize them to the news of no indictment.

As for the rest, I think the community there perceives things differently than outsiders might. Whether that is justified I don't know, and neither do you. They should not assume, based on their own collective experiences and perceptions, that the officer acted wrongly, but human nature being what it is, is anyone really surprised?
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I don't care how they "perceive" anything. It's one of many entitlement filled communities breeding the same worthless culture over & over. When they start rioting & committing true racial crimes when the truth comes out I say mow em down.
 
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