Ferguson Riots

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Dr Dread said:
Ok. If I'm correct is is VolNation. A football site. What would you do if you saw A. J. Johnson drop his head down 35 yards away from the person he was trying to hit? Who the h@&l rushes anybody from that distance?
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You'd have about 4sec to decide. You'd also have impaired vision and the guy rushing you already tried to take your weapon
 
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Dr Dread said:
So what you're saying is he was the "get away walker" right? What did he do? Give him a piggy back ride?
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He was an accomplice to theft. Also was walking in the middle of the road with brown. He also didn't assault the officer and charge at him.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
He was an accomplice to theft. Also was walking in the middle of the road with brown. He also didn't assault the officer and charge at him.
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He also had an outstanding warrant for his arrest at the time he went public with his version of events.

And Brown's juvenile criminal record is sealed. There is evidence that suggests he was convicted of either murder or attempted murder. But this guy is an angel.
 
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Dr Dread said:
Ok. If I'm correct is is VolNation. A football site. What would you do if you saw A. J. Johnson drop his head down 35 yards away from the person he was trying to hit? Who the h@&l rushes anybody from that distance?
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That's just a tad past a first down.....I'm shooting
 
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utvolpj said:
You'd have about 4sec to decide. You'd also have impaired vision and the guy rushing you already tried to take your weapon
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I'm not asking do you shoot at somebody that's rushing at you from 35 yds. I'm questioning the logic behind the statement someone made about the bullet hitting him in the top of his head proves he was charging at the officer.
Even if he was rushing the officer, he wouldn't have his head down from that far away.
 
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Considering it's been just over 2 months now and the officer hasn't been charged despite Eric Holder getting involved speaks volumes.
 
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davethevol said:
Considering it's been just over 2 months now and the officer hasn't been charged despite Eric Holder getting involved speaks volumes.
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The grand jury hasn't finished yet, the county prosecutor said we should have a decision by the end of October into the first two weeks of November.
 
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Burhead said:
The grand jury hasn't finished yet, the county prosecutor said we should have a decision by the end of October into the first two weeks of November.
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If there was actually any evidence that he was surrendering then there would be an indictment already. The prosecutors and the court are dragging this out in hopes that it dies down before saying there isn't enough to being charges.
 
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Dr Dread said:
I'm not asking do you shoot at somebody that's rushing at you from 35 yds. I'm questioning the logic behind the statement someone made about the bullet hitting him in the top of his head proves he was charging at the officer.
Even if he was rushing the officer, he wouldn't have his head down from that far away.
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yes he would, and it explains the ballistics of the shooting
how folks want to keep questionong the facts, is amazing

1) he robbed a store
2) he assaulted a police officer
3) tried to take his gun
4) didn't surrender, when trying to be arrested
5) rushed the same officer, he had just beat the hell out of

That's a recipe for a dead perpetrator

Which is exactly what happened
 
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The only way running at someone 35 yards away with your head down makes sense is if you are so desperate to make the trajectory theory work that you suspend all common sense.
 
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Dr Dread said:
The only way running at someone 35 yards away with your head down makes sense is if you are so desperate to make the trajectory theory work that you suspend all common sense.
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You keep acting like you know the timeline of the shots. It's unlikely that one was made at 35yds
 
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Dr Dread said:
The only way running at someone 35 yards away with your head down makes sense is if you are so desperate to make the trajectory theory work that you suspend all common sense.
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Where is the number 35 yards coming from? I've never seen that number in anything I've read about the case. Only 35 feet.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Where is the number 35 yards coming from? I've never seen that number in anything I've read about the case. Only 35 feet.
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I was about to say the same thing.

Edit: and 35ft without depth perception if the injuries to the officer are true isn't going to be much different to the officer than the 21 needed for an effective tueller drill.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
I was about to say the same thing.

Edit: and 35ft without depth perception if the injuries to the officer are true isn't going to be much different to the officer than the 21 needed for an effective tueller drill.
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Yep. Someone can cover 35 in less than 3 seconds. That's not much time for someone to get their shots off or defend themselves.
 
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Dr Dread said:
The only way running at someone 35 yards away with your head down makes sense is if you are so desperate to make the trajectory theory work that you suspend all common sense.
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Honestly, I'm not trying to be a douche. Did you misread something or do you have a link stating this?
 
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Dr Dread said:
The only way running at someone 35 yards away with your head down makes sense is if you are so desperate to make the trajectory theory work that you suspend all common sense.
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You have basically formed an idea on how he was shot in the top of the head. To me, it is not as simple as you make it out to be. The shot to the head could've occurred when he was falling to the ground and if you do any kind of research on reactionary gap times you'll find that shooting does not begin, nor end, when the threat is immediately identified or when it ends. Depending on the shooter/subject these times tend to vary and usually explain shots to the side or back. The physiology of identifying a threat and reacting to it takes time, so when someone says that someone was shot in the back I like to know the facts before making a determination.

It's been years since I was certified in Force Science, so dont ask me for exact numbers. But I know there are determining factors such as looming, reactionary gap, and others that play a role in shootings. I would not be surprised in the least if the Force Science team is involved in this investigation, as they are recognized as the best in the world.
 
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A person who witnessed the shooting added a new perspective to this;

Witness adds new perspective to Ferguson shooting : News

In the latest account of the Brown killing, the witness said he saw Wilson's police SUV stop near Brown and Johnson as they were walking in the middle of Canfield Drive. He said he heard Wilson say something to them, but not what. He said Wilson drove past them, then backed up.

The witness said he had been on the right side of the police SUV and did not have a clear view of what happened on the opposite, driver's side. "There was a tussle going on," he said, adding that he believes he saw Wilson's hat fly off.

He then heard a shot and saw Brown run, followed by Wilson. He said Wilson aimed his handgun at Brown and yelled: "Stop! stop! stop!"

The witness said Brown did stop, mumbled something he could not clearly hear and took a step toward Wilson.

"When he stepped foot on that street, the officer told him to stop again and he fired three shots," the witness recalled. "When he (Brown) got hit, he staggered like, 'Oh,' and his body moved. Then he looked down.

"His hands were up like this (he gestures with arms out to the side and palms upward) and he was looking at the officer and was coming toward him trying to keep his feet and stand up. The officer took a few steps back and yelled, 'Stop,' again and Michael was trying to stay on his feet.

"He was 20 to 25 feet from officer, and after he started staggering, he (Wilson) let off four more rounds. As he was firing those last rounds, Michael was on his way down. We were thinking, 'Oh my God, Oh my God, brother, stop, stop. He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots."

The witness said Wilson didn't have to kill Brown. "It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye ... What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder."
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So the person confirms that a scuffle did occur in the police car and he also added that Dorian Johnson took off running right after the first shot, which probably would have occurred in the vehicle.

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This latest witness, who is black, told the Post-Dispatch that Johnson took off running toward West Florissant Avenue after the first shot went off inside Wilson's police SUV.
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