'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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There is a lot of denial in here.

I hope that we land Gibson. I am very certain that he will be a WR at Tennessee and that iix not a slap in his face. He is very athletic and would fit into our offensive scheme best at WR. Butch's offense is a zone read offense, not the read option that Auburn runs. Half of our offense is a pro-style west coast passing attack, which requires an accurate passer, who can read the defenses, make the proper decisions, and make all of the throws on the route tree. Having watched TG's video's I just do not see that he is a QB who can sit in the pocket and be patient and let the route develop and then make the throws. Sure his videos show him throwing the ball deep. That is just one of many types of passes that he would need to throw and is one of the easier passes to throw and look good against high school competition. Also someone pointed out, Ohio State is not recruiting him as a QB, but rather as a WR-good to know that. You can bet that everyone else but Auburn is doing the same. Those coaches understand that his talents will be best utilized as a WR at the next level. Auburn on the other hand, runs the read option, which is night and day different than the zone read that we run at Tennessee.

Again, that is no slap in his face. I believe that he would be a fantastic WR and that is where his skills would be best utilized at UT and for his own good in regards to a potential NFL career after his collegiate career is ended.
 
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Tux said:
There is a lot of denial in here.

I hope that we land Gibson. I am very certain that he will be a WR at Tennessee and that iix not a slap in his face. He is very athletic and would fit into our offensive scheme best at WR. Butch's offense is a zone read offense, not the read option that Auburn runs. Half of our offense is a pro-style west coast passing attack, which requires an accurate passer, who can read the defenses, make the proper decisions, and make all of the throws on the route tree. Having watched TG's video's I just do not see that he is a QB who can sit in the pocket and be patient and let the route develop and then make the throws. Sure his videos show him throwing the ball deep. That is just one of many types of passes that he would need to throw and is one of the easier passes to throw and look good against high school competition. Also someone pointed out, Ohio State is not recruiting him as a QB, but rather as a WR-good to know that. You can bet that everyone else but Auburn is doing the same. Those coaches understand that his talents will be best utilized as a WR at the next level. Auburn on the other hand, runs the read option, which is night and day different than the zone read that we run at Tennessee.

Again, that is no slap in his face. I believe that he would be a fantastic WR and that is where his skills would be best utilized at UT and for his own good in regards to a potential NFL career after his collegiate career is ended.
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Yes, and Oregon's zone read system proves that a QB with the ability to run is not good for the system...

C'mon Tennessee Tuxedo, you know better than that.

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And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two curling-stones,
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Tux said:
There is a lot of denial in here.

I hope that we land Gibson. I am very certain that he will be a WR at Tennessee and that iix not a slap in his face. He is very athletic and would fit into our offensive scheme best at WR. Butch's offense is a zone read offense, not the read option that Auburn runs. Half of our offense is a pro-style west coast passing attack, which requires an accurate passer, who can read the defenses, make the proper decisions, and make all of the throws on the route tree. Having watched TG's video's I just do not see that he is a QB who can sit in the pocket and be patient and let the route develop and then make the throws. Sure his videos show him throwing the ball deep. That is just one of many types of passes that he would need to throw and is one of the easier passes to throw and look good against high school competition. Also someone pointed out, Ohio State is not recruiting him as a QB, but rather as a WR-good to know that. You can bet that everyone else but Auburn is doing the same. Those coaches understand that his talents will be best utilized as a WR at the next level. Auburn on the other hand, runs the read option, which is night and day different than the zone read that we run at Tennessee.

Again, that is no slap in his face. I believe that he would be a fantastic WR and that is where his skills would be best utilized at UT and for his own good in regards to a potential NFL career after his collegiate career is ended.
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Zone read and read option are different names for the exact same play.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Zone read and read option are different names for the exact same play.
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You are incorrect.

Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
 
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Tux said:
There is a lot of denial in here.

I hope that we land Gibson. I am very certain that he will be a WR at Tennessee and that iix not a slap in his face. He is very athletic and would fit into our offensive scheme best at WR. Butch's offense is a zone read offense, not the read option that Auburn runs. Half of our offense is a pro-style west coast passing attack, which requires an accurate passer, who can read the defenses, make the proper decisions, and make all of the throws on the route tree. Having watched TG's video's I just do not see that he is a QB who can sit in the pocket and be patient and let the route develop and then make the throws. Sure his videos show him throwing the ball deep. That is just one of many types of passes that he would need to throw and is one of the easier passes to throw and look good against high school competition. Also someone pointed out, Ohio State is not recruiting him as a QB, but rather as a WR-good to know that. You can bet that everyone else but Auburn is doing the same. Those coaches understand that his talents will be best utilized as a WR at the next level. Auburn on the other hand, runs the read option, which is night and day different than the zone read that we run at Tennessee.

Again, that is no slap in his face. I believe that he would be a fantastic WR and that is where his skills would be best utilized at UT and for his own good in regards to a potential NFL career after his collegiate career is ended.
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He's a WR IF they take him. I agree with you on that. He has shown he can play the position at a high level. A lot of the folks paid to evaluate/rate these recruits seem to think WR. Those on here saying for sure QB don't have a lot to support that. Yes, he was probably offered as a QB many months ago. Obviously before CBJ decided to take 2 other QBs. All a sudden "the man", does not seem like "the man". My final reason for saying it's WR, IF at all...when was the last time Tennessee took 3 QBs in a class? Have they ever? Obviously no reason to do so in a smaller class.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
He's a WR IF they take him. I agree with you on that. He has shown he can play the position at a high level. A lot of the folks paid to evaluate/rate these recruits seem to think WR. Those on here saying for sure QB don't have a lot to support that. Yes, he was probably offered as a QB many months ago. Obviously before CBJ decided to take 2 other QBs. All a sudden "the man", does not seem like "the man". My final reason for saying it's WR, IF at all...when was the last time Tennessee took 3 QBs in a class? Have they ever? Obviously no reason to do so in a smaller class.
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Taking 3 QBs in this class would destroy our 2016 QB recruiting and it is loaded with a ton of QB talent.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
He's a WR IF they take him. I agree with you on that. He has shown he can play the position at a high level. A lot of the folks paid to evaluate/rate these recruits seem to think WR. Those on here saying for sure QB don't have a lot to support that.
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:eek:lol: here's some quotes just from this article on 247 alone
Torrance Gibson debate on quarterback vs. athlete

Barton Simmons -

“If we rank Gibson strictly as a quarterback, I’m not sure we can rank him as a five-star based on what he’s put on tape. But when you allow yourself some wiggle room to change positions if quarterback doesn’t work out, that’s when Gibson becomes a really unique player. We’ve used the same concept in this class with players like Jauan Jennings and Kai Locksley, both four-stars in the Top247 that want to be quarterbacks first."

"So list him as a quarterback? That’s fine with me. He’s a darn good one. A four-star in fact. But he’s a five-star athlete.”

Simmons is somewhat on the fence but he's certainly not completely dismissing the idea of TG at QB like you are.

Ryan Bartow (from Ft. Lauderdale who as seen TG more than probably any national analyst) is much more impressed with Gibson than Simmons.

"2. Upside - He’s only played the quarterback position one year. Ever. It’s the game’s most difficult position and Gibson threw for 1,864 yards and 19 touchdowns while rushing for 1,032 yards and 10 touchdowns leading his team to a state championship. In year one of ever playing the spot. And he’s playing in Florida, the state that produces that most Division I talent in America and in Broward County, one of the most loaded counties in the that state and nationally in terms of speed and talent. That’s why everyone in America recruits there. He’s going up against super talent week in and week out and knocking it out out of the park in his first try at the position. All of his mechanical, physical and mental development at the position lies ahead of him in the years down the road. He’s just scratched the surface at the position. "

Bottom line: It’s a great era in college football to be a dual-threat quarterback. Everyone wants one, in some form or another. Why not get one with an ideal frame, speed, arm strength and upside? Why not run a spread offense that incorporates the zone-read that goes no huddle, no mercy? Everyone else seems to be catching on. Hand the keys to TGibson and let him run the show. I know Auburn, Tennesseeand Ohio State sure hope they can."

Here's a few more opinions

“I’m not sure he’s a quarterback. I like him better as a wide receiver. But that might be sour grapes because I know we’re not getting him. I sure hope we don’t have to play against him,” - an ACC assistant

“He’s the real damn deal,” - an SEC assistant

“Oh my God, he’s like a 6-4 Michael Vick. Left-handed, can fly and can sling it,” - an SEC assistant 



“He’s No. 1 on our board at quarterback,”- a B1G assistant

But yeah, anyone that wants TG at QB is just delusional and grasping at straws.
 
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We will have some elite and some very good playmakers on the field in the coming years. We have North, Pearson, Malone, Hurd, Croom, Wharton, Pig and maybe others. Which QB, Dormady or Gibson, do you believe our playmakers would want getting them the ball. Dormady will make multiple reads and deliver the ball accurately to the playmakers. Or Gibson who will tend to make a first read and throw if the receiver is open, but will take off if he sees receivers covered or if pressured. Dormady will make use of the playmakers. Gibson will make some big plays, but will make less use of the other playmakers. Can we discuss this without the name calling and cat fighting, please?
 
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Tux said:
You are incorrect.

Auburn and Tennessee's spread offenses are night and day different.

Our offense is predicated on spreading the defense with 3, 4, and 5 WR sets.

Auburns is predicated on spreading the defense out of tight formations and bunch sets and using a blocking H Back, counter plays, double team blocks, pulling guards,and counter plays in creating angles and seams for his QB and running back. Quite often the plays are preset plays designed for the QB to keep, which we do not do.

Most teams using the zone read, Tennessee included, have their quarterback reads the defensive end away from the playside and if the defensive end comes down back down the line of scrimmage, he will keep the football. In Auburn's inverted veer, the read is to the playside and both the quarterback and running back run the option off the playside defensive end. The running back's path is to run to the outside as if running a sweep or taking an option pitch. Auburn will also pull a guard who will take a playside linebacker and the H back will line up to the playside and take out an outside defender for the running back.
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The zone read and the read option are the exact same play for 90% of people. Just like stretch vs outside zone. Or scat vs stick.

Granted you can refer to read option plays, as in plays where you read a defender. That would include zone read, power read (what you call inverted veer), speed option, midline, veer, and every other option play out there.

Yes our offenses are very different. They do run their qb more (some of which was out of necessity last year). They do a great job of using the h back on arc blocks as well.

And only on the base zone read play is the de read. Most teams use tags to move that read (man and midline tags being the most common) to the lb or Dt. Baylor reads the lb a lot and uses a slant in behind him if he bites down in their power play.

I actually expect our running game to use variations of everything mentioned above. Last year we did primarily run inside and stretch read, but I think we will see more lb reads, more power read, and other wrinkles this season.

I think the big thing that seperates auburn (although WV was doing it first) was there use of two h backs a lot, and their use of the buck sweep (although Urban Myer was doing that at Flordia a decade ago, he just called it pin n pull zone).
 
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:eek:lol: here's some quotes just from this article on 247 alone
Torrance Gibson debate on quarterback vs. athlete

Barton Simmons -

“If we rank Gibson strictly as a quarterback, I’m not sure we can rank him as a five-star based on what he’s put on tape. But when you allow yourself some wiggle room to change positions if quarterback doesn’t work out, that’s when Gibson becomes a really unique player. We’ve used the same concept in this class with players like Jauan Jennings and Kai Locksley, both four-stars in the Top247 that want to be quarterbacks first."

"So list him as a quarterback? That’s fine with me. He’s a darn good one. A four-star in fact. But he’s a five-star athlete.”

Simmons is somewhat on the fence but he's certainly not completely dismissing the idea of TG at QB like you are.

Ryan Bartow (from Ft. Lauderdale who as seen TG more than probably any national analyst) is much more impressed with Gibson than Simmons.

"2. Upside - He’s only played the quarterback position one year. Ever. It’s the game’s most difficult position and Gibson threw for 1,864 yards and 19 touchdowns while rushing for 1,032 yards and 10 touchdowns leading his team to a state championship. In year one of ever playing the spot. And he’s playing in Florida, the state that produces that most Division I talent in America and in Broward County, one of the most loaded counties in the that state and nationally in terms of speed and talent. That’s why everyone in America recruits there. He’s going up against super talent week in and week out and knocking it out out of the park in his first try at the position. All of his mechanical, physical and mental development at the position lies ahead of him in the years down the road. He’s just scratched the surface at the position. "

Bottom line: It’s a great era in college football to be a dual-threat quarterback. Everyone wants one, in some form or another. Why not get one with an ideal frame, speed, arm strength and upside? Why not run a spread offense that incorporates the zone-read that goes no huddle, no mercy? Everyone else seems to be catching on. Hand the keys to TGibson and let him run the show. I know Auburn, Tennesseeand Ohio State sure hope they can."

Here's a few more opinions

“I’m not sure he’s a quarterback. I like him better as a wide receiver. But that might be sour grapes because I know we’re not getting him. I sure hope we don’t have to play against him,” - an ACC assistant

“He’s the real damn deal,” - an SEC assistant

“Oh my God, he’s like a 6-4 Michael Vick. Left-handed, can fly and can sling it,” - an SEC assistant 



“He’s No. 1 on our board at quarterback,”- a B1G assistant

But yeah, anyone that wants TG at QB is just delusional and grasping at straws.
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If they had missed on better QB options, I could see him playing QB or at least getting a chance at some schools.

"Tennessee with 2 QBs already committed, is not one of them IMO". - a VN numbers guy.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The zone read and the read option are the exact same play for 90% of people. Just like stretch vs outside zone. Or scat vs stick.

Granted you can refer to read option plays, as in plays where you read a defender. That would include zone read, power read (what you call inverted veer), speed option, midline, veer, and every other option play out there.

Yes our offenses are very different. They do run their qb more (some of which was out of necessity last year). They do a great job of using the h back on arc blocks as well.

And only on the base zone read play is the de read. Most teams use tags to move that read (man and midline tags being the most common) to the lb or Dt. Baylor reads the lb a lot and uses a slant in behind him if he bites down in their power play.

I actually expect our running game to use variations of everything mentioned above. Last year we did primarily run inside and stretch read, but I think we will see more lb reads, more power read, and other wrinkles this season.

I think the big thing that seperates auburn (although WV was doing it first) was there use of two h backs a lot, and their use of the buck sweep (although Urban Myer was doing that at Flordia a decade ago, he just called it pin n pull zone).
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You sir, are incorrect.
 
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Realize that we wouldn't have anything to talk about if we didn't engage in non-stop speculation, but this has become stupid. If TG wants to play at Tennessee, he will. If he wants to play QB, he will have the opportunity to earn the chance, just like JJ and QD. As both JJ and TG have other options, if either does not make the cut as QB, they have the option of changing positions rather than changing schools. Since both have a high upside outside of QB, you take them both without question or hesitation. Anyone here that acts like they know which of the three QB *candidates* wins the position is full of crap. To state absolutely that TG will not be QB at UT...before he has committed...before NSD...before the first training camp...is just plain dumb. There are so many things that can (and likely will) change between now and when any of these guys would take their first snaps, it's just goofy to act like you know.

/rant *off*
 
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Tux said:
You folks are speaking with your emotions and not using your head to think and understand. I remember when I was 18 too. You think a lot differently than you will when you are older.
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We get it. You're a football genius. You have your own forum... Go use it.
 
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