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volbeast33 said:
Didn't mean stokes.....I meant the king.....if that happened with stokes then that means that he recruited the king on tenn dime for another program.
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Anything can happen, you took my entire post, and just wanted to infer what fit your script.

The point was, that there's was at minimum a decent chance Martin wasn't coming back, and Stokes wasn't gonna take a chance on coming back and him leaving. Martin was upfront and honest with him about where things stood and that made the decision very easy.

As for "The King" as I said anything can happen, Martin can't just stop recruiting period because what happens if Cal hires someone else and another opportunity doesn't come open? What happens if Hart has a change of heart and gives him what he wants in a contract? You keep recruiting, just like Buzz Williams did to Marquette and Donnie Tyndall did to USM, even if you are exploring other option.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Stokes wanted to know if Martin was going to come back. Martin couldn't make that promise so Stokes left. That seems pretty easy to comprehend.

There was no guarantee the Martin was going to get the Cal job, just like there was guarantee he was going to get the Marquette job. At the same time, Martin couldn't guarantee he was going to be back and he couldn't guarantee that he was leaving.
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Correct, glad someone read it simply for what it was worth, and didn't just take the parts they wanted and inferred the rest. Nowhere in my post did I say that Martin to cal was a done deal for weeks and that's why Stokes left.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My 2 biggest concerns, what happens when we are pressed? Do we have anyone that can break the press and handle the ball over under pressure without turning it over?

Rebounding. Hopefully McKnight keeps his nose clean, stays out of foul trouble, and maybe adds 10-15 pounds by the start of the season. Outside of him Reese would be the next guy in line who's most physically ready to play the 5, that scares me a bit.
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My biggest concern is that people, me included, are going expecting to much too early. These players on paper looked good. The problem with that is, they don't put down what you should/could have scored in the SEC, they put down the points you score on the floor of places like Alabama, Kentucky, Auburn etc.:blink:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Correct, glad someone read it simply for what it was worth, and didn't just take the parts they wanted and inferred the rest. Nowhere in my post did I say that Martin to cal was a done deal for weeks and that's why Stokes left.
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Rob Lewis said he had quit recruiting for two months
 
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volbeast33 said:
Rob Lewis said he had quit recruiting for two months
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Which one is it man?

volbeast33 said:
If that's the case them that means that he was recruiting a player for cal on UT's dime..... How can u be ok with that?
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And no, that's not what Rob Lewis said, you once again are inferring what someone else says into what YOU want it to say
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which one is it man?





And no, that's not what Rob Lewis said, you once again are inferring what someone else says into what YOU want it to say
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What did rob say then? I think he wasn't doing his job much at all till after it looked like he wasn't getting another job. I do feel like he was recruiting king thinking he was going to cal....either way I'm done talking about Zo
 
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bamacheats said:
There is no concrete answer to that pg-vs-pass argument. Depends entirely on your roster. Tony Harris was unpressable, for example.
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WRONG! There is not a Division I basketball coach in America who teaches his point guard to try dribbling his way out of a press. A great ball handler might be able to get the ball past half court and set up the offense, might, but you can't break a press that way.

If you were ever drilled by a good BB coach on breaking the press, you would know players are coached to recognize the type of press (man-to-man, man-to-man trap, various zone presses and zone traps), know they're roles against it, and when the ball comes to them, know where the open man will be for the pass... no dribble.

The only time you will see a player break the press with the dribble is when defenders fall off to disrupt those passing lanes. Then and only then can a good ball handler, having only one man to beat, race to the basket and take it to the hole or dish it the guy (usually a big man) who is there by design to slam it home.

That is how teams have been coached to break the press for decades.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's simply not true about the press, you've gotta have someone that can dribble. Does passing help? Sure, but you've gotta have a good handling PG.

Darius Thompson is a helluva passer,
Maymon and Stokes both are as well, yet we still struggled with a press. Having a PG that knows what he's doing and how to attack it is a huge plus.
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So if a team double teams the pg or denies the ball, what happens? We used Maymon to break presses. Bradshaw. Stephen Pearl. Martin had no idea how to break a press and passing it to the pg in the corner to be trapped didn't work. You don't need a pg if you have 3-4 ballhandlers on the court along with a coach that understands how to break presses at their weak spots. You show me a team that has a good ballhandling pg to break a press and no help, and I'm pressing them all game. Pg will be toast.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's simply not true about the press, you've gotta have someone that can dribble. Does passing help? Sure, but you've gotta have a good handling PG.

Darius Thompson is a helluva passer,
Maymon and Stokes both are as well, yet we still struggled with a press. Having a PG that knows what he's doing and how to attack it is a huge plus.
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Who's the best handler from our roster now compared what we thought was coming in?
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Stokes wanted to know if Martin was going to come back. Martin couldn't make that promise so Stokes left. That seems pretty easy to comprehend.

There was no guarantee the Martin was going to get the Cal job, just like there was guarantee he was going to get the Marquette job. At the same time, Martin couldn't guarantee he was going to be back and he couldn't guarantee that he was leaving.
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Bs. Stokes was gone. He has talked about not being able to use his skill set many times and was not coming back to play for Martin. His family made it clear and I posted it here at the time.
 
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Volru said:
WRONG! There is not a Division I basketball coach in America who teaches his point guard to try dribbling his way out of a press. A great ball handler might be able to get the ball past half court and set up the offense, might, but you can't break a press that way.

If you were ever drilled by a good BB coach on breaking the press, you would know players are coached to recognize the type of press (man-to-man, man-to-man trap, various zone presses and zone traps), know they're roles against it, and when the ball comes to them, know where the open man will be for the pass... no dribble.

The only time you will see a player break the press with the dribble is when defenders fall off to disrupt those passing lanes. Then and only then can a good ball handler, having only one man to beat, race to the basket and take it to the hole or dish it the guy (usually a big man) who is there by design to slam it home.

That is how teams have been coached to break the press for decades.
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Great post. Please help me more with some of these guys in regards to basketball.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Still here, you still working on your Lonnie Thompson hate, or have you cooled off yet?
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I don't know him to hate him, but people form opinions based on what others in the know tell them, which is what I did. DT left because of his dads old mtsu riff influence. I posted it, and even his friend that posted here admitted LT was pissed.

And I'm at the beach after having surgery yesterday so I'm plenty cool. Just bleeding like Creasy from Man on Fire in the ocean but all good.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Great post. Please help me more with some of these guys in regards to basketball.
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I agree on the great post. I just can't believe we are having the discussion at all. It just seems awful that we have resorted to these type issues.

Look at the post in this thread....Zo and the recruitment of whomever on UT's Dime....Who cares let's move on. Don't think he did and if he did UTK AD would have compensated him for it. Did it affect Stokes decision, doubt it.

As far as the press issue, only one bit of advice. Watch and learn, but some will have to wait until the season starts to understand.
 
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#174
why don't we just nick pick CDT to death before he coaches his first game here so that it will be easy and justifiable to fire him at the mid season break...

it is quite obvious he is not measuring up the first month so it will be easier to let him go....
 
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k-town_king said:
I think CDT is a good coach. Not great like some make it seem. That being said I don't think you can hold that against him. Questioning the loss to WKU and 5 point win vs Houston Baptist are valid.
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I don't hold the Louisville game against him. I just think it's funny that people think he has some sort of magic coaching formula against the press. If he does, it sure didn't work against Louisville.
 
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