Tennessee is NOT a good job

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VolGee4 said:
UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgetown, Kansas, Texas, Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Arizona, Florida

In my mind, these are clearly better programs than UT, mixing history with resources. Then, there is a host of schools in the next tier and you could argue that some are currently better than UT- Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Illinois, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, NC State, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma State, and Arkansas is UT of the western division with a national title.

UT is a fringe top 30 basketball program.
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Can't really agree with Memphis in that top group, too much cheating over the years and no real accomplishments without cheating. I'd remove Michigan and Texas too. No championships keeps them out of that highest tier.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Can't really agree with Memphis in that top group, too much cheating over the years and no real accomplishments without cheating. I'd remove Michigan and Texas too. No championships keeps them out of that highest tier.
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Laughable.

All three are above Tennessee BB at this point.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The only schools who just back up the Brinks truck to hire someone are pretty much UK, Louisville, and Memphis. Those three pretty much HAVE to invest big money in basketball because it's where they make their money.

Other schools where coaches are making a lot of money are schools where that coach has earned it through raises.

When Pearl left here he was paid #3 in the conference and top 20 at the time in the country.
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You can add UCLA, UNC, Arizona, Kansas, and Michigan to that list. Duke, Syracuse, Texas, Florida, and Michigan State will when the time comes but have tenured coaches.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Can't really agree with Memphis in that top group, too much cheating over the years and no real accomplishments without cheating. I'd remove Michigan and Texas too. No championships keeps them out of that highest tier.
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I live in Memphis. Regardless of cheating, their history is better, and their support and venue are phenomenal. Texas can be in any category it wants- unlimited resources. Michigan has a title and multiple FF's.
 
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VolGee4 said:
UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgetown, Kansas, Texas, Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Arizona, Florida

In my mind, these are clearly better programs than UT, mixing history with resources. Then, there is a host of schools in the next tier and you could argue that some are currently better than UT- Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Illinois, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, NC State, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma State, and Arkansas is UT of the western division with a national title.

UT is a fringe top 30 basketball program.
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In most years, that is all we will need to be able to get in to the NCAA Tournament which is all that matters. The goals here are pretty modest. We want the Sweet 16. That is very possible on a regular basis. We have done it five times since 2000.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In most years, that is all we will need to be able to get in to the NCAA Tournament which is all that matters. The goals here are pretty modest. We want the Sweet 16. That is very possible on a regular basis. We have done it five times since 2000.
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Well, fringe is probably being generous. But then why do we start pay at a salary that is 11th in our own league?
 
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VolGee4 said:
You can add UCLA, UNC, Arizona, Kansas, and Michigan to that list. Duke, Syracuse, Texas, Florida, and Michigan State will when the time comes but have tenured coaches.
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UCLA is notorious for not paying huge money for it's coaches in either football or basketball. They are paying Steve Alford 2.6 million. Look at his salary compared to coaches at comparable programs like Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan State, Kansas etc. He makes 50-60% of what they make.

Beilein was making well under 2 million a year at Michigan before he took them to the NCAA title game and he''s only at 1.9 million now.

Who knows what Syracuse will pay or what they can afford to pay? They've had the same coach for 30+ years and he makes 1.9 million per season right now.


Keep in mind that we offered Zo 1.8 million and Pearl was making 2.3 million here. Which is top 25 in the country for coaching pay.
 
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DocVol said:
Sure. Tell that to Smart, Cuonzo, Marshall, etc.... Exactly.

Fact is the AD will not spend the $$$ to make it worth while to overcome all the garbage surrounding the UT program right now. Sure, throwing some insane number, say $4M, at a candidate will do it....but not for the $1.5M Hart will undoubtedly spend.

This is not rocket science. And yet you people fail to grasp it due to your homerism.

And yes I'm a huge fan (obviously)--just because I can see things objectively instead of the subjectivity 95% of you all adhere to doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Again, it makes me a realist. You should try it.
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No offense DocVol but you seem to be what we used to call "a professional againster" which in case that's above your head is someone that's against everything that the majority seems to be for. And as for you being a "realist" you have to get into the "real world" to be one of those.
JMO FWIW
 
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DocVol said:
Laughable.

All three are above Tennessee BB at this point.
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What has Texas done recently? They were in the NIT in 2013 and we've won the SEC title since they won the Big 12 title and we've been to the sweet 16 twice since they last made it that far.

What has Memphis done that the NCAA hasn't wiped out?

We've both been to 20 NCAAs, we've been to 7 sweet 16s and they've been to 6. We lead them head to head. They do not have the exposure or overall resources we enjoy.

Their only advantage is hometown recruiting.
 
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Jay Bilas said UT is top 30 job, maybe top 20 and that's being conservative.

Doug Gottleib said it's a "great" job.

Pardon me if I weigh their opinions a little more than the OP.
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
No offense DocVol but you seem to be what we used to call "a professional againster" which in case that's above your head is someone that's against everything that the majority seems to be for. And as for you being a "realist" you have to get into the "real world" to be one of those.
JMO FWIW
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Did that hurt stringing together all those made up words and run-on sentences?
 
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NYC Vol said:
Jay Bilas said UT is top 30 job, maybe top 20 and that's being conservative.

Doug Gottleib said it's a "great" job.

Pardon me if I weigh their opinions a little more than the OP.
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Ok--then I'll sit back and watch UT hire one of the Top 30 coaches in America then....right?

What's that? Oh right.....crickets.
 
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Florida is a top 15 football program in the country with ease.

Was Ron Zook a top 15 coach? Was Will Muschamp?

Is Charlie Strong a top 10 coach in America? Texas is easily a top 10 program.

Who are the top 30 coaches in America?

How likely would it be that any of them are taking another job?
 
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DocVol said:
It's toxic. No coach, even in a remotely good situation at his current job, and even in a smaller school/conference, will take this job right now.

Temper your expectations. And then lower them some more.

I'm not saying the standard should be lowered, but I'm at least expecting another Derek Dooley type hire--as in we are turned down by all the major prospects (Pitino, Smart, Howland, Miller, Marshall,...), then we are turned down by some smaller second tier names, and THEN we will hire someone no one has heard of from a a small mid-major.

Some of you need to gather your marbles that were lost years ago. Tennessee has a chance to be a GREAT job again, but it won't happen this time.

Temper your expectations. Then lower then again. This will prove to help with the VN meltdown when it plays out exactly as above.
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Post is super gay
 
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NYC Vol said:
Jay Bilas said UT is top 30 job, maybe top 20 and that's being conservative.
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Not sure if serious..........

The following jobs are better than UT......
Kansas
UK
Michigan St
N. Carolina
Louisville
Ohio State
Syracuse
Indiana
Arizona
Florida
UCLA
Uconn
Wisconsin
Memphis
Texas
Georgetown
Michigan
Illinois
Gonzaga
UNLV
Arkansas
Marquette
Maryland
NC State
Okie State
Pitt
Villanova
Cincinnati
Xavier
Missouri
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Florida is a top 15 football program in the country with ease.

Was Ron Zook a top 15 coach? Was Will Muschamp?

Is Charlie Strong a top 10 coach in America? Texas is easily a top 10 program.

Who are the top 30 coaches in America?

How likely would it be that any of them are taking another job?
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Will Muschamp was the coach in waiting at Texas- he was a hot commodity. We offered Charlie Strong, and UT football should be a top 15 job. Urban Meyer proved that another coach could win there who wasn't named Spurrier.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Will Muschamp was the coach in waiting at Texas- he was a hot commodity. We offered Charlie Strong, and UT football should be a top 15 job. Urban Meyer proved that another coach could win there who wasn't named Spurrier.
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I'm saying were any of them a top 30 coach in America?

I'm certain that the answer is no, not at all. Top, established coaches do not change jobs from college to college as a general rule.
 
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ChattaVoll said:
They've been all the way as far as the NCAA Tournament runner up twice, 1973 and 2008, though 2008 was vacated by the NCAA.

Memphis Tigers men's basketball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even with NCAA issues, Tiger High has still done more than us, and they've not had to settle for second string in the NIT anytime recently either.
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Due to excessive cheating and rulebook wipeouts multiple times, they've been to the same number of tournaments as us and fewer sweet 16s.
 
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Kusotate said:
Not sure if serious..........

The following jobs are better than UT......
Kansas
UK
Michigan St
N. Carolina
Louisville
Ohio State
Syracuse
Indiana
Arizona
Florida
UCLA
Uconn
Wisconsin
Memphis
Texas
Georgetown
Michigan
Illinois
Gonzaga
UNLV
Arkansas
Marquette
Maryland
NC State
Okie State
Pitt
Villanova
Cincinnati
Xavier
Missouri
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Exactly what on earth makes Gonzaga a better program or job than Tennessee?

Or to be honest, Pitt? It may seem like they're this great program, but take a closer look at their history. It's very similar to ours, with a bit more pre-WWII success.

No clear idea on why Tennessee "fans" like to constantly insult and run down our program, even in the face of national basketball guys calling it a very good job/program.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Who we hire will illustrate this, ending up with Butch did the same in FB, and no that's not a knock on Butch, but acting as if he was option 1,2 or 3 is beyond dumb.
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Most programs would love their 4th option. I believe Stark was like 7th after a bunch of guys. Negative nancies here. Let the guy make the hire.
 
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VKAman said:
This. The problem isn't the job, it's the people making the hires.
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He didn't support Zo, he didn't try to keep the door ajar for the ringer, and he got caught sitting on his hands again when Zo bolted.

He won't attract a Tier One candidate, and he will not enunciate a vision for the basketball program or the Athletic Department as a whole.

Fire Dave Hart.
 
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