Tennessee is NOT a good job

#51
#51
Mphsbball said:
your coach just dumped you for Cal. Nothing says you're a "big time program" like your head coach bailing for a middle of the pack team in the Pac 12.

I wouldn't laugh at any school's coach if I were in your shoes.
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In 1997 our coach left us for the only program in a major conference to never make the NCAA Tournament...That didn't work out so well for them but just like Northwestern, Cal did save us a buyout next year...We appreciate it!
 
#52
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Mphsbball said:
your coach just dumped you for Cal. Nothing says you're a "big time program" like your head coach bailing for a middle of the pack team in the Pac 12.

I wouldn't laugh at any school's coach if I were in your shoes.
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And you think the majority of our fans are upset that he's gone? Haha
 
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InVOLuntary said:
As long as UT fans continue to support the program regardless of who's at the helm and regardless of results the UT AD has no motivation to do anything different than before. Why would he spend $2.5-$3mil on a coach when he can spend $1mil and still have decent attendance. Fans continue to lap up whatever bowl of crap they serve up and act like it's filet mignon. The AD has and will for the foreseeable future take advantage of the UT fanbase.
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Nah ... full of pizz & vinegar but not true. The AD will hire as well as he can with the $$$ he has. But if he's turned down by the big boys he's NOT gonna offer the same to a mid major.

Want to help. Start a hiring bonus fund, get yer friends to sell thuh farm an donate thuh proceeds. Short of that, it's going to be a tough row to hoe this time of year. Money WILL talk, but with our budget problems, I doubt Hart can lure anyone but a mid major here, unless there's a significant signing bonus, contract duration, and buy out clause -- and THOSE are ONLY for the big time first choice--not a mid major.
 
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SDV said:
You haven't either according to the record books
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OrangeUTopia said:
This was supposed to be the mantra last time. If UT doesn't do better this time than CCM then just stick a fork in us.
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That's what I'm thinking. When CCM came in the job was "toxic" then. All this prognosticating is useless. Nobody really knows what's going on here.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think it's ironic that you count Pitino (I assume you mean Richard) as a major prospect but then say you don't want another Derek Dooley type hire...Richard Pitino would be the epitome of a Dooley hire.
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not sure i agree there - in 2 yrs as a head coach has 2 winning seasons and just won the NIT beating a really good SMU team coached by Larry Brown

his FIU team returned only 6 players (not 6 schollie players) and he led them to best conference record they have had - reached the conference title game and barely lost that

richard pitino is going to be an excellent college basketball coach

that is leaving out 2 successful asst gigs at Lville and Florida

this doesnt remind me of dooley at all
 
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tennrich1 said:
That's what I'm thinking. When CCM came in the job was "toxic" then. All this prognosticating is useless. Nobody really knows what's going on here.
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Last time we didn't have a coach who just came off a Sweet 16 run who used Tennessee as stepping stone to get to a middle of the pack PAC 16 team.

So, there's that now in addition to the BP final year too.
 
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DocVol said:
It's toxic. No coach, even in a remotely good situation at his current job, and even in a smaller school/conference, will take this job right now.

Temper your expectations. And then lower them some more.

I'm not saying the standard should be lowered, but I'm at least expecting another Derek Dooley type hire--as in we are turned down by all the major prospects (Pitino, Smart, Howland, Miller, Marshall,...), then we are turned down by some smaller second tier names, and THEN we will hire someone no one has heard of from a a small mid-major.

Some of you need to gather your marbles that were lost years ago. Tennessee has a chance to be a GREAT job again, but it won't happen this time.

Temper your expectations. Then lower then again. This will prove to help with the VN meltdown when it plays out exactly as above.
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I bet you are a riot at parties. I don't necessarily expect a big name hire but look at who Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, SC, Miami, etc. have hired recently. If you pay money in a large conference (to say nothing of our recent success and facilities) you can attract excellent candidates.

Also, if you could look into your crystal ball and enlighten as to precisely when UT fans lost our marbles "years ago" I would appreciate it. May explain some bets I have made.
 
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DocVol said:
It's toxic. No coach, even in a remotely good situation at his current job, and even in a smaller school/conference, will take this job right now.

Temper your expectations. And then lower them some more.

I'm not saying the standard should be lowered, but I'm at least expecting another Derek Dooley type hire--as in we are turned down by all the major prospects (Pitino, Smart, Howland, Miller, Marshall,...), then we are turned down by some smaller second tier names, and THEN we will hire someone no one has heard of from a a small mid-major.

Some of you need to gather your marbles that were lost years ago. Tennessee has a chance to be a GREAT job again, but it won't happen this time.

Temper your expectations. Then lower then again. This will prove to help with the VN meltdown when it plays out exactly as above.
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Gottlieb, Doyel and Bilas all disagree with you but thanks for letting us know. :hi:
 
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Instant_Offense said:
I bet you are a riot at parties. I don't necessarily expect a big name hire but look at who Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, SC, Miami, etc. have hired recently. If you pay money in a large conference (to say nothing of our recent success and facilities) you can attract excellent candidates.

Also, if you could look into your crystal ball and enlighten as to precisely when UT fans lost our marbles "years ago" I would appreciate it. May explain some bets I have made.
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Right. Because Kiffin, Dooley, Martin and B Jones were all "excellent candidates," as you put it.

Give it up man. Football and basketball coaching searches have proven to do exactly the opposite of what you're arguing--we will get a bottom tier, 6th or 7th option in the end after being turned down/snubbed by all top tier candidates.

Facts never lie. It has happened this way every time over the last 4+ coaching searches. This will be the 5th.

If this weren't the case, we would have our new coach already.
 
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DocVol said:
Last time we didn't have a coach who just came off a Sweet 16 run who used Tennessee as stepping stone to get to a middle of the pack PAC 16 team.

So, there's that now in addition to the BP final year too.
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You seriously need to stop talking out your ass.
 
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SCvol333 said:
not sure i agree there - in 2 yrs as a head coach has 2 winning seasons and just won the NIT beating a really good SMU team coached by Larry Brown

his FIU team returned only 6 players (not 6 schollie players) and he led them to best conference record they have had - reached the conference title game and barely lost that

richard pitino is going to be an excellent college basketball coach

that is leaving out 2 successful asst gigs at Lville and Florida

this doesnt remind me of dooley at all
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It sure does.

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Be sure to read about what he did in his second year there, and the "what if" he hadn't had something like 22 injuries to depth chart players his third. Pedigree an all, Pitino sounds just like Dooley and Dooley like Petino, just different sports.
 
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Chilmonty said:
The BBall job at UT is just as good as the BBall job at any other FOOTBALL school, Fact!! :rock:
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Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, Texas, Wisconsin, and Pitt are 10 much better jobs at football schools right off the top of my head.

Look at their resumes; all have national titles, title appearances, and/or Final 4's.



gardners_51609 said:
This is ludacris. Tennessee has had some trouble based off of Kiffin and Pearl, and had some rocky years with sanctions and bad hires but this is far from a bad job. I will give you several reasons.

1. Tennessee is in the SEC, a power conference, and has the potential to be in the top 4 in the league every year.

2. Tennessee plays a good schedule that puts us in the big dance convo every year.

3. If the right coach comes and succeeds the money would be outstanding.

4. Attendance is incredible, Venue Remarkable, Budget out of this world. Facilities next-to-none.

5. The fan base can be unpredictable, but if you are successful, there is no better feeling than the love of the big orange nation. You shouldn't be in coaching of any capacity if you are sensitive to criticism.

6. Dave Hart and Jimmy Cheek have the money channels balancing back out. The academic support system is revived. Sanctions are disappearing and Tennessee is one hire in basketball away from being a stable program again. imo

Just some reason why it is foolish to say this job is toxic.
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No, this is ludacris...

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It might be ludicrous though. :)

OrangeBalls said:
Yet, Jay Bilas said UT is a top 30 job and that's probably being conservative. So, in other words, I think he just said you're full of sh*t.

Tennessee job isn't bad one, analysts says

Hart isn't alone in thinking the adversity Martin encountered won't limit Tennessee's ability to find a quality replacement. ESPN analyst Jay Bilas called Tennessee a top-30 job and said "that's probably being conservative."

"It's got good facilities, good support," Bilas said. "It's in a great league, and they've won there. It's got all positives. It's certainly not a positive the way that Cuonzo was treated last season by a portion of the fan base, but it's not something that would cause a good candidate to say no. That's not enough."
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Top 30, even Top 20, is a lot further down the totem pole than most of the fans commenting would concede... many are acting like it's a Top 10 job.
 
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#71
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Mphsbball said:
your coach just dumped you for Cal. Nothing says you're a "big time program" like your head coach bailing for a middle of the pack team in the Pac 12.

I wouldn't laugh at any school's coach if I were in your shoes.
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Someone's been subscribing to the sensationalist media hype.
 
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DocVol said:
It's toxic. No coach, even in a remotely good situation at his current job, and even in a smaller school/conference, will take this job right now.

Temper your expectations. And then lower them some more.

I'm not saying the standard should be lowered, but I'm at least expecting another Derek Dooley type hire--as in we are turned down by all the major prospects (Pitino, Smart, Howland, Miller, Marshall,...), then we are turned down by some smaller second tier names, and THEN we will hire someone no one has heard of from a a small mid-major.

Some of you need to gather your marbles that were lost years ago. Tennessee has a chance to be a GREAT job again, but it won't happen this time.

Temper your expectations. Then lower then again. This will prove to help with the VN meltdown when it plays out exactly as above.
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Laughable. I live in Dayton, Ohio, and I can tell you the fan base for the Flyers is much more vocal about their basketball coach and team. The fans in Tennessee have been through hell, and they keep supporting their Vols. And yeah, it’s great to see a coach like Butch who is all in for UT, unlike Dooley or Martin, who care first about themselves. It’s the SEC, grow some fuzz.
 
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