damn! not the greatest publicity here

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GAVol said:
I don't think so.

Name all the schools you can think of that have had any combination of 9 people holding the positions of football coach, men's basketball coach or AD in a 5 year period. If that happens at UGA or Texas or Notre Dame, your first reaction would be "What's wrong with those people?" and nobody would blame you.
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Other schools have been through it. Bama went through it. Auburn went through it. Kentucky. Those ADs eventually figured it out and opened up the checkbook, bringing in the Saban's and Calipari's of the world. Hopefully our AD will figure it out, that to ensure stability, invest in a proven commodity and stop the carousel of cheap hires.
 
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Drama queens. Good grief.

Since 2000 we've had 2 ADs, 4 FB coaches and now 4 BB coaches.

Arkansas in that same time frame has had 2 ADs, 4 FB coaches, 4 BB coaches.

Auburn in about that same time frame, 2 ADs, 3 FB coaches, 4 BB coaches.

Kentucky has had 2 AD, 4 FB and 3 BB coaches.

The turnover rate is high everywhere in this era.
 
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ansleyr815 said:
We can continue to defend our actions/opinions in this mirror called a messageboard until the cows come home. It doesn't mean anything. It makes no difference which side you were/are on in the self-defeating debates on Martin, Pearl, Dooley, Hart, Kiffin, Fulmer, etc.. We are only talking really loudly to ourselves. In fact, we have been speaking so loudly and obnoxiously that everyone in the restaurant and movie theater can hear every word.

The only thing that matters is our reputation... and how the majority of people outside of Knoxville perceives us and our university. The overwhelming majority of national writers, TV analysts, radio hosts, and former coaches which have recently spoken on the subject of UT fans/media...have done so in a negative light. We will stick out our chest and say it doesn't matter...but it does. This is our reputation. It will be another obstacle to overcome in recruiting great athletes and coaches to join us.

The nation believed us to be a "funny/passionate crazy" when we scared a fleeing Kiffin. In just 5 years, that perception has degressed to just "crazy".

We can be better than this. If something doesn't change, we will just continue to urinate in the fan.
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I agree completely. I've tried to tell people that our reputation has been plummeting for years. I can remember walking into meetings around the country and having UT discussed as a top tier school athletically, which helps in business when your degree is from there. It's not only a built in conversation starter/point of reference to others in the room, it says that your degree is from an institution that respects hard work and achievement.

I have seen a very real decline in the respect factor for all things UT from people I deal with around the country. We need a quality hire here, for the University's image as much as for the basketball team. At the end of the day, these guys aren't making 2 million per to teach someone how to box out, but to represent the University in a positive light. Hope to hell we get back to that soon.
 
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Volfreak1964 said:
Tennessee fans are a big family we can squabble amongst our selfs but let an outsider start on one of us and it's on! :)
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Should be the way it is....but if you want to afford the Cuonzo apologists fan status...that position is in dispute...just read this thread. :huh:
 
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#105
Is the real problem AD Hart or those above him?

If it's not the AD then our fans need to get REAL LOUD about serious changes above AD Hart.

We obviously have some problems with some people somewhere.

It's time we identify the real problems and scream like hell until those problem people are removed and replaced with people that understand how inportant and profitable our AD should and needs to be by getting quality coaches and WINS!

CCM is gone, it's done so put it behind us and lets get focused on finding the real problems and getting rid of them.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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GAVol said:
As Verc said, there's definitely been some bad luck, but how do you look at an organization that's had 4 football coaches, 3 basketball coaches and 2 ADs in the past 5 years and not infer some level of organizational dysfunction?
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Can't argue that. It will continue as long as Cheek is there to stab coaches in the back or refuse to hire quality coaching.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Drama queens. Good grief.

Since 2000 we've had 2 ADs, 4 FB coaches and now 4 BB coaches.

Arkansas in that same time frame has had 2 ADs, 4 FB coaches, 4 BB coaches.

Auburn in about that same time frame, 2 ADs, 3 FB coaches, 4 BB coaches.

Kentucky has had 2 AD, 4 FB and 3 BB coaches.

The turnover rate is high everywhere in this era.
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this exemplifies my problem with the comment forde made about the number of coaches/ADs we've gone through. He picked the final years for people who had been in place long term and then added those same people to the tally to sensationalize the turnover rate. I can do that too. We've had 3 ADs since 1985 (that's an average of 1 per decade, just about). We've had 5 football coaches since 1977 (that's an average of about 7.5 years per coach, not so bad). I am not sure of the number for basketball coaches prior to buzz peterson, but it's 3 since 2000 (would be almost 5 years per coach). these numbers all show that tennessee isn't quite the revolving door of personnel forde made out. yes, we've had a lot of turnover recently due to mike hamilton's failures, but to paint tennessee as dysfunctional based on a set of data out of context is foolish and a representation of poor journalism.
 
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vol66 said:
No. It's a pay check. When Hart didn't extend him the previous year, that was a threat to his security, not only to him and his family, but to the program because other programs said, "I dunno, he might get fired next season"...When the boosters yank the planes, again, it gives the perception that he doesn't have the confidence of the money people...when Hart doesn't come out and say anything about Martin's status or all of the Pearl stuff...Finally, when he gives him a raise, but slashes the buy out, it says you did okay but we're going to make it easy on us if you fail.

The perception and reality will meet when Hart makes a hire imo.
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You act as if we lost a good coach, we didn't. When Floyd took CCM to the woodshed with that triangle and two zone earlier this year he stood there star gazing like Pelosi because he didn't recognize it. Regardless who we get it will be a step up because ccm couldn't recruit or know what to do with the few good recruits he was able to snag. He's gone and good riddance.
 
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RoyNWendy said:
Let's take a moment to enjoy what we have now which happens to be the loss of a mediocre coach. Anyone who feels sad is just mad that their ego was hurt because they wanted to say they were right about Zo turning it around and will continue to be our coach. Opposing fans wanted him to stay because we would continue to progress into a mediocre abyss. Time to rise up and rejoice that we have a chance to get a coach who wins.
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And then the arguing:spank: will start again!
 
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#110
Late to the party here, but that article is spot on. It is how Tennessee is viewed outside the bubble most fans live in. The best line of the whole article, "...a program leaking prestige and reeking of unrealistic entitlement" pretty much sums it all up.

We have a lot of fans born on third thinking they hit a triple, and the last 6 years have been quite the reality check for some.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Late to the party here, but that article is spot on. It is how Tennessee is viewed outside the bubble most fans live in. The best line of the whole article, "...a program leaking prestige and reeking of unrealistic entitlement" pretty much sums it all up.

We have a lot of fans born on third thinking they hit a triple, and the last 6 years have been quite the reality check for some.
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The point that is missed by those who believe it is on point is this.....

It has zero impact on our ability to hire a good coach. Zero.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
The point that is missed by those who believe it is on point is this.....

It has zero impact on our ability to hire a good coach. Zero.
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The national perception that our entire athletic department is a dumpster fire and our fanbase is akin to a rabid dog has "zero" impact on who we can hire? Maybe I'm naive to think that it will deter some coaches who would consider Tennessee a lateral move, but it did just scare off our (now) former basketball coach.

At worst, it can limit our pool of candidates.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The national perception that our entire athletic department is a dumpster fire and our fanbase is akin to a rabid dog has "zero" impact on who we can hire? Maybe I'm naive to think that it will deter some coaches who would consider Tennessee a lateral move, but it did just scare off our (now) former basketball coach.

At worst, it can limit our pool of candidates.
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Lol. Cuonzo Martin was scared off because he knew he was going to get fired in the next two years and Dave Hart refused to strap this university to his sinking ship. Cuonzo restarted his clock and good for him.

If we target a good coach and come with money, we will get a good coach. Any coach worth his salt will prefer the "rabid" fan base over fan apathy. It comes with the territory at good jobs. It is not unique to UT.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The national perception that our entire athletic department is a dumpster fire and our fanbase is akin to a rabid dog has "zero" impact on who we can hire? Maybe I'm naive to think that it will deter some coaches who would consider Tennessee a lateral move, but it did just scare off our (now) former basketball coach.

At worst, it can limit our pool of candidates.
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It's pure denial at this point to not at least acknowledge that outwardly things appear out of whack.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Lol. Cuonzo Martin was scared off because he knew he was going to get fired in the next two years and Dave Hart refused to strap this university to his sinking ship. Cuonzo restarted his clock and good for him.

If we target a good coach and come with money, we will get a good coach. Any coach worth his salt will prefer the "rabid" fan base over fan apathy. It comes with the territory at good jobs. It is not unique to UT.
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Welp, if you say so. While not entirely exclusive to Tennessee, I do think it's a little more uncommon nationally (hence the basis of Forde's article) than you are willing to admit, but we can agree to disagree.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Welp, if you say so. While not entirely exclusive to Tennessee, I do think it's a little more uncommon nationally (hence the basis of Forde's article) than you are willing to admit, but we can agree to disagree.
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Has our AD been a train wreck? Yes. Is it still? Not in my opinion.

Is this fan base rabid? Yes. And I love it.

Does our rabid fanbase being rabid hurt out ability to make a good hire? Not a bit.

JMO
 
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GAVol said:
It's pure denial at this point to not at least acknowledge that outwardly things appear out of whack.
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Outside the bubble that is Knoxville, we (UT) are not what we (fans) think we are. The dysfunctionality of the last 6 years has only furthered that perception nationally IMO.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Has our AD been a train wreck? Yes. Is it still? Not in my opinion.

Is this fan base rabid? Yes. And I love it.

Does our rabid fanbase being rabid hurt out ability to make a good hire? Not a bit.

JMO
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Who was the last coach hired that excited you (at the time of the hire) in basketball or football?
 
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cncchris33 said:
Outside the bubble that is Knoxville, we (UT) are not what we (fans) think we are. The dysfunctionality of the last 6 years has only furthered that perception nationally IMO.
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So we're supposed to think we're garbage and can only hire garbage coaches? Is that it?:rolleyes:
 
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Dave1967 said:
So we're supposed to think we're garbage and can only hire garbage coaches? Is that it?:rolleyes:
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If you're plan is to automatically assume I'm implying the polar opposite end of the spectrum, then we won't get very far in a discussion.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Lol. Cuonzo Martin was scared off because he knew he was going to get fired in the next two years and Dave Hart refused to strap this university to his sinking ship. Cuonzo restarted his clock and good for him.

If we target a good coach and come with money, we will get a good coach. Any coach worth his salt will prefer the "rabid" fan base over fan apathy. It comes with the territory at good jobs. It is not unique to UT.
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Any good coach wouldn't be afraid of opening himself up to the fan response. Our problem is we have fans that seem to jump the line and start harassing a coach's family. Not every coach is going to look at that and think "Yeah, I'll give it a go at UT." No amount of money is enough if we're going to start attacking a man's family.
 
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knowthevols said:
You act as if we lost a good coach, we didn't. When Floyd took CCM to the woodshed with that triangle and two zone earlier this year he stood there star gazing like Pelosi because he didn't recognize it. Regardless who we get it will be a step up because ccm couldn't recruit or know what to do with the few good recruits he was able to snag. He's gone and good riddance.
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Ridiculous. He is an outstanding young coach and we will have a difficult time replacing him with a coach anywhere as good. His W-L record at Tennessee is almost identical to Pearl's. Pearl had a better NCCAT record, but Martin proved he is a quality coach with the sweet sixteen showing this year. Stupid fans are responsible for our problems with the basketball program. It is time for you guys to crawl back in your holes and leave the hiring and firing of coaches to the Athletic Program.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If you're plan is to automatically assume I'm implying the polar opposite end of the spectrum, then we won't get very far in a discussion.
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I must be naïve to think Tennessee should be able to win both in football and in men's basketball.
 
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