Even More Obamacare Follies

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FLVOL69 said:
You're right, he's still working off that priapism with the Glenn Beck story..
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True.

While I'd love to stick around and see what fun posts will come up next, I'll leave you to deal with the judge. I've got a pile of stuff that is begging to be burned in my outdoor fireplace while I sip a beer or two.
 
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Judge Holden said:
Why would you sign up for obamacare if you knew you couldn't pay? Also, what IS screwed up is going bankrupt because of medical issues beyond your control.
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I see a lot of people living in poverty who smoke, drink, eat poorly, do drugs, etc etc. They don't seem to care about their health & I damn sure don't especially if a penny out of my pocket is used for them. Chances are they're mooching of the tax dollar already.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, I don't even think LG would put that absurd of a number out there. He'd be far more vague about it like "plenty" or "a goodly number" of people have paid.
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I haven't ventured a guess as to how many paid. I'd be surprised if it's a third, maybe half by 4/30. But I have no idea.
 
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In my opinion, the greatest thing about the ACA is that it will lead to an increase in entrepreneurship. So many people who want to start their own small business couldn't because their health insurance was tied to the job they were in. With that worry gone, more people will build businesses.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I haven't ventured a guess as to how many paid. I'd be surprised if it's a third, maybe half by 4/30. But I have no idea.
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Lighten up Francis, that was kind of my point. I was giving you credit for not bringing up some absurd 85% have paid in number. Which you very well know we'd call you out on. And you know this so you wouldn't be bold enough to say it in the first place.

So hence, I actually gave you props for a change.

I think your numbers are probably close to accurate though.
 
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Velo Vol said:
What's the tuition for a year at Duke University?
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Neither applicable nor relevant to the discussion. However, since you asked, Duke can charge high tuition because people are willing to pay it. But, just like the average liberal arts college, very few pay the sticker price. Their scholarships and tuition discounts/work programs are privately funded. Private schools compete with government schools for students, so they have to offer a much better product to justify the costs. This is why private schools on the whole are much better than government-run schools. The sticker price is a sign of prestige for a lot of colleges and universities. However, the college bubble is on its way to bursting, too -- just like the NASDAQ and housing bubble before it.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that public tuition increases have far outpaced private tuition increases. It should be easy to educate our kids with the modern technology we have. The costs should be coming down, when in fact they've grown at 3x the rate of inflation. Education costs have outpaced health-related costs. How did that happen? The federal government is fully invested in education, but "kind of" sticking its nose in health care. Now that the government is fully invested in health care, they're getting ready to send health-related costs through the roof. They subsidized a college degree and drove costs up and the quality, through degree inflation, through the floor. Now by subsidizing health care, there's no incentive to keep the price low. In the next few years, health care premiums will soar and the quality of medicine will decline. I knew the ACA would fail from the beginning because it's a government program.

When are you center-left and left-wing idiots going to understand that the government will f*** up everything it touches? Think about it: Why are you trusting these people to run this stuff? This is why you always have to watch out for the liberal do-gooders, because they think they're helping people when in fact they're doing much more harm than good.
 
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Judge Holden said:
In my opinion, the greatest thing about the ACA is that it will lead to an increase in entrepreneurship. So many people who want to start their own small business couldn't because their health insurance was tied to the job they were in. With that worry gone, more people will build businesses.
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And more businesses will fail than ever before.

Half will close within the first 2 years, that is standard and static. Throw in these people who never had the nerve, ways, or means before but now magically because of health care it means more people will open businesses?

Believe me, insurance as the impediment to starting a business is a loser's mentality and these people will fail at a greater rate. If that was the reason for stopping someone then the probability of their success is very low.

Before you start in with anything, I have built a business, a few companies, and did it with out any help from anyone starting out but with my AMEX. I have millions in multiple credit lines now. For any private business owner, they understand what a feat this is.

Reality is very few know what it means to start with no business credit history and leverage everything personally to take this chance, and what it means to have to be held to benchmarks with banks (let alone just dealing with banks and bankers) and the credit lines they extend, and managing cash flow and AP/AR.

Knowing that the failure rates are so high, and this is with the people who had the gumption and risk taking to begin with to try and take on starting a business, thinking these people starting something because of obumbacare are going to be here in 5 years is beyond naive and more than unlikely. More damage will be done and more of these people will be worse off.
 
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Judge Holden said:
In my opinion, the greatest thing about the ACA is that it will lead to an increase in entrepreneurship. So many people who want to start their own small business couldn't because their health insurance was tied to the job they were in. With that worry gone, more people will build businesses.
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You bought that B.S.?

No, in reality it will be the opposite.
 
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Judge Holden said:
The fact of the matter is that America is the last first world nation that still makes people pay for healthcare. We don't make people pay for police and fire departments precisely for the same reason more enlightened countries don't make their citizens pay for medical care. For you conservatives, would you think it moral to see an impoverished family die in a house fire because a private fire brigade wouldn't help them?
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I get a bill from our local fire dept every year, asking to "join" the fire department. If I don't join and they have to put my house out, I will receive a bill for their services.

I'm cool with that.

If an impoverished family is renting, perhaps we should have their landlord supply the batteries for their smoke detectors. If they are homeowners, they can probably afford 9v batteries, and they are required by the bank to have homeowners insurance. I don't see it as a community responsibility to protect their financial investments.
 
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Judge Holden said:
In my opinion, the greatest thing about the ACA is that it will lead to an increase in entrepreneurship. So many people who want to start their own small business couldn't because their health insurance was tied to the job they were in. With that worry gone, more people will build businesses.
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So wait a minute... You think a new tax that taxes a person that creates jobs... And steals money from their pockets... Will be an incentive for people to start businesses? My wife shut her business down because small businesses are so over-taxed. I guarantee you this will not be a small business incentive.

Or are you saying that people who didn't want to pay for their own healthcare will start a business because other people will have to pay for their health-care-- while the government stipulates that they will have to pay for the healthcare of their employees. ???

Is that your argument? Really?
 
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Judge Holden said:
Most estimates show that around 85% have paid.
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Let's go with your number.

Two separate studies have estimated the % of those in the exchange who were previously uninsured is between 27 and 33%. We'll be generous and take 33%

Now we have 2,310,000 million sign ups that were previously uninsured. 85% of that is 1,963,500.

Research has also shown that of those who lost insurance up to 1 million have not re-enrolled.

So now we are looking at about 1 million newly insured via the exchanges.

Is that success?

Further, research has shown that the % of those who paid varies between those who had insurance and those who didn't (makes sense since someone replacing insurance is more motivated than someone who previously chose not to buy it). This research suggests that of the previously uninsured only about 55% have paid.

Now we are looking at less than 1 million in newly insured via the exchanges.

Was that worth changing everyone's insurance?

Oh and we haven't seen the real wave of impact on the currently insured since the employer mandate was delayed.

This thing is making massive changes in EVERYONE's insurance to end up with 30 million uninsured even after the thing is in full effect.

It....is....a....fraud.
 
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volinbham said:
Let's go with your number.

Two separate studies have estimated the % of those in the exchange who were previously uninsured is between 27 and 33%. We'll be generous and take 33%

Now we have 2,310,000 million sign ups that were previously uninsured. 85% of that is 1,963,500.

Research has also shown that of those who lost insurance up to 1 million have not re-enrolled.

So now we are looking at about 1 million newly insured via the exchanges.

Is that success?

Further, research has shown that the % of those who paid varies between those who had insurance and those who didn't (makes sense since someone replacing insurance is more motivated than someone who previously chose not to buy it). This research suggests that of the previously uninsured only about 55% have paid.

Now we are looking at less than 1 million in newly insured via the exchanges.

Was that worth changing everyone's insurance?

Oh and we haven't seen the real wave of impact on the currently insured since the employer mandate was delayed.

This thing is making massive changes in EVERYONE's insurance to end up with 30 million uninsured even after the thing is in full effect.

It....is....a....fraud.
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Would you please stop tossing facts into some people's fantasies?!

It's unnerving to some.
 
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I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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You fail a drug test?
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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What did you do for 3 years?
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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You haven't been able to find a job in 5 years?
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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Sorry to hear about your condition.

Having said that to say this. You may very well have gotten insurance through the ACA. And just because it actually worked for you doesn't change the fact it hasn't worked for many. Furthermore, it does not change the fact you continually spill forth vile about racism and facts without basis. And when charged with showing said facts, you choose to get defensive instead of backing up your claims.

So either back up your ignorant meanderings of hate filled posts with hard facts or be quiet.
 
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