Even More Obamacare Follies

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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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Five years without a job, and you still applaud this administration?

You know... If Obama cared that much for you, he'd give you a job at GM. He owns it and all.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Sorry to hear about your condition.

Having said that to say this. You may very well have gotten insurance through the ACA. And just because it actually worked for you doesn't change the fact it hasn't worked for many. Furthermore, it does not change the fact you continually spill forth vile about racism and facts without basis. And when charged with showing said facts, you choose to get defensive instead of backing up your claims.

So either back up your ignorant meanderings of hate filled posts with hard facts or be quiet.
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When all else fails, the pity card gets played. Argument won by anecdote.

Boom!
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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Here's my question - did we need to upend the entire insurance market; take good insurance away from people who liked it; force people to buy coverage they don't need all so we could fix the problem you faced?

It would have been cheaper (and less destructive) to simply have the government pay directly for your insurance than to do what has been done to the entire arena of healthcare.
 
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He wanted to do that, but republicans would never have supported it. Instead, he opted for a 90s republican heritage foundation idea that is now falsely called socialism.
 
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Judge Holden said:
He wanted to do that, but republicans would never have supported it. Instead, he opted for a 90s republican heritage foundation idea that is now falsely called socialism.
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Taking people's money and giving it to other people is socialism.

From the dictionary:

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Full Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
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volinbham said:
Let's go with your number.

Two separate studies have estimated the % of those in the exchange who were previously uninsured is between 27 and 33%. We'll be generous and take 33%

Now we have 2,310,000 million sign ups that were previously uninsured. 85% of that is 1,963,500.

Research has also shown that of those who lost insurance up to 1 million have not re-enrolled.

So now we are looking at about 1 million newly insured via the exchanges.

Is that success?

Further, research has shown that the % of those who paid varies between those who had insurance and those who didn't (makes sense since someone replacing insurance is more motivated than someone who previously chose not to buy it). This research suggests that of the previously uninsured only about 55% have paid.

Now we are looking at less than 1 million in newly insured via the exchanges.

Was that worth changing everyone's insurance?

Oh and we haven't seen the real wave of impact on the currently insured since the employer mandate was delayed.

This thing is making massive changes in EVERYONE's insurance to end up with 30 million uninsured even after the thing is in full effect.

It....is....a....fraud.
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Weren't we sold this turd burger based on the fact that "30,000,000 Americans are uninsured"? If that's the case, in what deranged fantasy world is fixing between 3 and 7% of the problem a "success"?
 
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bamawriter said:
Weren't we sold this turd burger based on the fact that "30,000,000 Americans are uninsured"? If that's the case, in what deranged fantasy world is fixing between 3 and 7% of the problem a "success"?
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Same fantasy world that gave you:

1. If you like your (insurance/doctor) you can keep it.
2. Average premiums will come down $2500/year
3. ER visits will plumment (medicaid recipients are the heavy users of ER for primary care and we just expanded Medicaid)
4. etc. etc. etc.
 
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bamawriter said:
Weren't we sold this turd burger based on the fact that "30,000,000 Americans are uninsured"? If that's the case, in what deranged fantasy world is fixing between 3 and 7% of the problem a "success"?
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It's the Democrat way, lower the bar.
 
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volinbham said:
Same fantasy world that gave you:

1. If you like your (insurance/doctor) you can keep it.
2. Average premiums will come down $2500/year
3. ER visits will plumment (medicaid recipients are the heavy users of ER for primary care and we just expanded Medicaid)
4. etc. etc. etc.
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In other words, all lies as before...nothing has changed as promised by Barry & company.
 
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17000 people DIE every year because the free market price system has prevented them from getting insurance. Health care should NOT have a price tag.
 
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Judge Holden said:
17000 people DIE every year because the free market price system has prevented them from getting insurance. Health care should NOT have a price tag.
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Hey some just can't afford the $50k insurance bill. It sucks but it happens

Could you also cite your sources for all these fabulous statistics?
 
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Judge Holden said:
I'll tell you my story. Five years ago I lost my job as an operations associate director at a factory here in Detroit. I had great insurance that made my diabetes affordable. (I am type 1 so you cruel people who will blame my diet can go take a hike). For THREE years I was unable to get any insurance because of my pre-existing condition. Through Obamacare, I have insurance for 235/month, and I feel like a respected human again.
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Sorry to hear the unions priced you out of a job. I'm sure it was a shock so you must have forgotten about COBRA insurance that would have carried you over until your next job. But you didn't get a job, so MEDICAID should have kicked in. Do you really understand the system you support?

Judge Holden said:
17000 people DIE every year because the free market price system has prevented them from getting insurance. Health care should NOT have a price tag.
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Do you have a link to that number?

How can health care not have a price? Don't doctors or nurses eat or need shelter?
 
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Judge Holden said:
17000 people DIE every year because the free market price system has prevented them from getting insurance. Health care should NOT have a price tag.
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Maybe they should've worked & taken better care of themselves.

Na you're right all goods & services should be given away & working should just be an option. Maybe we can be the next world power like North Korea.
 
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