Even More Obamacare Follies

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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
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It's not only about how many sign up & pay it's about who. Another welfare project is the last thing we need but this is exactly what it's gonna be.
 
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Gramps said:
Did you pay through the marketplace site or directed to the insurance company to pay 1st premium?

I posted earlier I thought the insurance company had to be paid directly. Is that correct?
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It depends on the Insurance company. Mine I paid directly to the insurance company on their web-site. Which healtcare.gov kicks you over to.
 
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govols/cc said:
It's not only about how many sign up & pay it's about who. Another welfare project is the last thing we need but this is exactly what it's gonna be.
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We already mandate that hospitals provide care to people regardless of their ability to pay for it. So the working poor, with no insurance and no opportunity for it through their employers, have been using ERs as their first stop for care, for everything from the flu on up. That's why insurance for everyone else is so expensive -- because the cost of their care is shifted to the rest of us who are insured.

The central theory of Romney/Obamacare is that you expand the base of people paying for insurance you accomplish two things: 1) you have more money coming into the health care delivery system; and 2) you make much lower cost care accessible to millions who did not have it before. They can go to a regular practitioner now, rather than wait until they are acutely ill and go to the ER.

Fact is, the real choice that the GOP would have us make is not over cost or form of insurance, but whether as a society we view health care as a right or an entitlement, i.e. in the alternative to a reformed insurance market do we tell hospitals to turn away those who cannot pay?

You can make an argument for the latter, but you will just guarantee you lose even more of the vote, especially amongst minorities which is where the demographics are.
 
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Gramps said:
Better tell him to sign up before midnight Ob.
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I've pulled some strings. Getting him a higher paying job. About a 50% increase in pay and some of the best insurance in the country.

Unfortunately he will have to survive about a month before he will start new job.
 
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Obsessed said:
I've pulled some strings. Getting him a higher paying job. About a 50% increase in pay and some of the best insurance in the country.

Unfortunately he will have to survive about a month before he will start new job.
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How old is he? Can he stay on your insurance in the meantime?
 
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Gramps said:
Do you know this for fact ?
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It's what BCBS told me.

When my son's work plan kicked in I called them to take him off mine, they told me he would have to submit an affidavit confirming coverage. I even asked what if he was married, what if I didn't want to pay for him anymore (he was 22 at the time), they said it dosn't matter.
 
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Gramps said:
Better tell him to sign up before midnight Ob.
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ha there is no deadline since there is no fine/tax/penalty

lawgator1 said:
That's why insurance for everyone else is so expensive -- because the cost of their care is shifted to the rest of us who are insured.
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and Obamacare does nothing to fix that. One day you'll get tired of typing out the same old lie week after week and just admit you've been trolling
 
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hog88 said:
It's what BCBS told me.

When my son's work plan kicked in I called them to take him off mine, they told me he would have to submit an affidavit confirming coverage. I even asked what if he was married, what if I didn't want to pay for him anymore (he was 22 at the time), they said it dosn't matter.
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Aetna says no. It's why we told my daughter not to get married after finding out she wA pregnant. Even after the baby is born they will cover her, but not her child.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the DEMs are starting to panic.
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Fyp
 
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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
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:lolabove:
 
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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
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There were more people insured in 2008 than there are now.

6 million have signed up for Obamacare. A good portion of those qualified for medicaid. How many uninsured people were there in the US? 30 to 40 million?

Yep, that's a roaring success right there.
 
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MG1968 said:
There were more people insured in 2008 than there are now.

6 million have signed up for Obamacare. A good portion of those qualified for medicaid. How many uninsured people were there in the US? 30 to 40 million?

Yep, that's a roaring success right there.
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but only about 1mil have paid so that's the number truly covered
 
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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing whatever numbers they have to for the political points, Im a dem so that's my side, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
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Just to get it over with.
 
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utvolpj said:
ha there is no deadline since there is no fine/tax/penalty
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Not exactly true, unless Obama has changed the dates again.

One must be enrolled, I guess have an account on the Marketplace website by midnight tonight or they will not be able to buy marketplace insurance this year. I would think if one wanted to they could/can purchase health insurance through one of private providers but it would not be the marketplace policies with the gov picking up any of the tab..
 
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Gramps said:
Not exactly true, unless Obama has changed the dates again.

One must be enrolled, I guess have an account on the Marketplace website by midnight tonight or they will not be able to buy marketplace insurance this year. I would think if one wanted to they could/can purchase health insurance through one of private providers but it would not be the marketplace policies with the gov picking up any of the tab..
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any what is the penalty for not buying it? You show up at the ER when you're sick and still get free care. Unless people plan to use the Dr for more than just treating an illness (highly unlikely) then they're idiots for signing up. There is zero incentive

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and I bet many of those were people's whose plans were cancelled and basically forced to sign up for Obamacare
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a number that will never see the light of day.

Pretty amazing that they're going to hit their number almost exactly on the last day huh? Almost like the number was never truly in jeopardy
 
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hog88 said:
It's what BCBS told me.

When my son's work plan kicked in I called them to take him off mine, they told me he would have to submit an affidavit confirming coverage. I even asked what if he was married, what if I didn't want to pay for him anymore (he was 22 at the time), they said it dosn't matter.
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Were you told this after January 01, 2014?

Obsessed said:
Aetna says no. It's why we told my daughter not to get married after finding out she wA pregnant. Even after the baby is born they will cover her, but not her child.
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That seems to be the way it should be when one gets married. How will the baby be covered, through the Medicaid program? With the change in the law this has brought,( The 26 age thing) can one purchase health insurance on a newborn through a private carrier ?
 
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