Even More Obamacare Follies

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bamawriter said:
If user error were the sole problem, it should have been solved by the millions we are spending on "navigators".

But we all know that the real reason for this delay is that the Democrats don't want someone walking into a polling place in November knowing that he'll be paying a penalty five months later.
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Yep.
 
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Free Birth Control and Unfree Photographers - Reason.com

Both of these debates are more accurately described as clashes between real rights and fake rights. To put it more politely, they pit negative liberty, which requires freedom from external restraint, against positive liberty, which imposes demands on other people's resources. Under the latter vision, giving freedom to one person requires taking it away from another.
But does the government have a compelling interest in forcing people to accept behavior that violates their deeply held beliefs? There is an important difference between requiring the government to treat gay and straight couples the same and requiring private citizens to do so. One is a matter of equal treatment under the law, while the other is intolerance disguised as its opposite: intolerance of intolerance, to put it charitably.

Similarly, there is an important difference between demanding that the government refrain from interfering with people's reproductive choices and demanding that business owners subsidize them. Just as no one has a right to pictures taken by an unwilling photographer, no one has a right to an IUD or a Plan B pill purchased with the money of people who do not want to pay for it.
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Never saw this coming...

Maryland to reportedly abandon $125M ObamaCare exchange for new system | Fox News

With just days to go before open enrollment ends on March 31, Maryland officials are reportedly planning to abandon its glitch-ridden ObamaCare website and replace the health exchange with technology from Connecticut’s marketplace.

The Washington Post reported late Friday that the board of the Maryland exchange will vote on changing the system that has cost at least $125.5 million at a meeting on Tuesday, the day after the end of the first enrollment period under ObamaCare.
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And the media gave the States so much grief over the lack of state specific exchanges.
 
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Man, just think what you as a person could do with $125M. I'm sure you would not just waste it as these gubment officials do.....I know I wouldn't waste the money as they do.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Man, just think what you as a person could do with $125M. I'm sure you would not just waste it as these gubment officials do.....I know I wouldn't waste the money as they do.
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Well, automatically give half of it back to the government to waste for starters lol

Actually, the Oregon exchange is the worst off. $300 million and not a single person enrolled without help.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, automatically give half of it back to the government to waste for starters lol

Actually, the Oregon exchange is the worst off. $300 million and not a single person enrolled without help.
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:banghead2: The gubment could have just given a million each to 300 people just to stimulate the economy for all the good they wasted on.
 
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govols/cc said:
You'd need close to a mil to clear that. Don't forget the gubment gets to screw you first. At least they do good stuff with all that money they have absolutely no part in making.
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I have a lot of vaseline just for the gubment's antics. I'm very frugal these days & $500K (with taxes taken out first) would last me a long time to spend & enjoy.
 
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I saw this morning the Administration is saying 6 million have now enrolled. The GOP is saying that is an inflated number.

The website supposedly crashed due to 2 million people visiting the site.
 
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Gramps said:
I saw this morning the Administration is saying 6 million have now enrolled. The GOP is saying that is an inflated number.

The website supposedly crashed due to 2 million people visiting the site.
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There are many configurations of the numbers that can be portrayed positively or negatively, and are by both sides. But the GOP talking point of accusing the administration of "cooking the books" is pretty funny since the GOP is massively, and at every turn, relying on false data comparisons they know to be false.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are many configurations of the numbers that can be portrayed positively or negatively, and are by both sides. But the GOP talking point of accusing the administration of "cooking the books" is pretty funny since the GOP is massively, and at every turn, relying on false data comparisons they know to be false.
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The dems are doing the same.
 
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govols/cc said:
The dems are doing the same.
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Yep. They've lied about every aspect of the law, so why should we believe the current numbers? And how many if the new people that enrolled already had health insurance that was cancelled due to the new law? I'm willing to bet that most of those uninsured before the law took place are still uninsured.
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. They've lied about every aspect of the law, so why should we believe the current numbers? And how many if the new people that enrolled already had health insurance that was cancelled due to the new law? I'm willing to bet that most of those uninsured before the law took place are still uninsured.
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The only numbers that should count are the ones who actually paid a premium. Not how many visited the site. Not how many added something to their cart. No "estimates".
 
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govols/cc said:
The dems are doing the same.
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I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
 
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hog88 said:
Signing up and paying that first premium are two different things.

Where can we find the, premiums paid stat?
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I think that number has to come from the insurance companies, not the government. From what I understand obe can choose a plan from the marketplace site, or they are directed to their states Medicaid department to apply, but must purchase from the company they choose. I may be wrong but that is the way I understands it works. I have tried to research this and it is very difficult to get any real numbers, imo. Each private carrier would have to release a record of the number of policies sold in this period plus each state would gave to report the number of new Medicaid enrollees.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I strongly disagree. The Dems are emphasizing the best view of the numbers, but the GOP has over claimed the problems to such a degree that they are now compelled to be shrieking liar's about it. With 7 months until the midterms and the sky not falling, the GOP is starting to panic.
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Last year I signed up for AAA but forgot to pay my membership fee, guess what happened when I needed them?
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Well, I just paid my first one 45 min. ago, so I know theres one.
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Did you pay through the marketplace site or directed to the insurance company to pay 1st premium?

I posted earlier I thought the insurance company had to be paid directly. Is that correct?
 
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