What's in the Senate health care bill?

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armchair said:
You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
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Government is your answer to everything, apparently. You are a socialist. Since you feel obliged to my money, why don't you come take it from me yourself instead of having your politicians do it for you?
 
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armchair said:
You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
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Talking out your ass. Most people who "couldn't" afford health insurance just opted out of it wherever they worked if they had a job.

Comparing the US to any other country is borderline sub 80 IQ thinking. I bet you get upset when you see Finland students waxing the floor with American ones on standardized testing. I wonder why....?..
 
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AM64 said:
And true to form, isn't the system considered either bankrupt or on the verge? Also, people on Medicare do pay premiums; it's not entirely tax supported.
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True to a point. However, those folks on medicaid/medicare(dual eligibles) have their Part B premium subsidy. Duals for the most part pay nothing out of pocket except small co-pays for drugs. My Part B premium is about $110 a month. Medicare Advantage plans also receive a federal subsidy, around 10-14% last time I checked.
 
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armchair said:
You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
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I have friends from Australia (one of those advanced countries) visiting and they are working through the process to immigrate to the US, it's taken 3 years so far. I showed them your post and they laughed. Ain't nothing free, they get taxed out the yang on everything.
 
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hog88 said:
I have friends from Australia (one of those advanced countries) visiting and they are working through the process to immigrate to the US, it's taken 3 years so far. I showed them your post and they laughed. Ain't nothing free, they get taxed out the yang on everything.
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Pfft! You're wrong.

Armchair has been to Japan, hog.

Japan.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It's not the insurance companies responsibility to improve healthcare..... but here's a hint..... have the government gtfo of the way and stop mandating everything under the moon.
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The government is going to regulate insurance, it's just a question of what and how much.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Over 55 million people are on Medicare. A number higher than that at any given time is eligible for Medicaid.

So roughly a third of the country are already on socialized medicine.
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Socialized/nationalized health care does not mean making your entire economy socialized. Ask older Americans if they like Medicare--they couldn't live without it. America's health care system is terrible--the worst of both public and private systems. Drug prices are a massive scandal because Congress is deep in the pocket of Big Pharm. Who doubts that? GOP congressmen care FAR MORE about doing favors for big business than helping Americans, and it is shocking that so many people apparently don't realize it. They've made it illegal for the U.S. government/Medicare to negotiate drug prices directly, which would save many billions of dollars. Why? To protect the already massive profits of drug companies. Drug companies sell their medicine in Europe for one-fifth the price it is sold here--and yet companies/retailers/individuals cannot buy drugs from Canada or elsewhere. So Congress is basically screwing the American people. Health care prices are a huge scandal. The drug industry is completely corrupt--and it corrupts craven politicians, especially Republicans.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...-common-medication-455-million-specialty-pill
 
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Well, Trump's utter lack of sophistication on this issue has been on full display the last week or so. One bill is "mean," another needs "heart."

He just has no clue, does he?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, Trump's utter lack of sophistication on this issue has been on full display the last week or so. One bill is "mean," another needs "heart."

He just has no clue, does he?
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The Bill will be right out of the the GOP playbook - tax cuts for corporations and the wealthiest Americans. Meanwhile, everybody else will get screwed, it's the GOP way!
 
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McDad said:
Government is your answer to everything, apparently. You are a socialist. Since you feel obliged to my money, why don't you come take it from me yourself instead of having your politicians do it for you?
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from someone I presume is a crude person. It is the government's responsibility to look out for "the general welfare"---that is explicitly stated in the constitution. Without taxes and government we'd have the same sort of instability and chaos one sees in developing countries with weak tax systems and a lot of corruption. We have enough corruption of our own. You don't like "government" but are happy that corrupt politicians stiff you (and everybody else) to benefit already massively wealthy corporations? You're OK having your pocket picked by big corporations, because they're not "the government"? I don't mind paying taxes to live in a stable country. Our health care system should either be totally privatized and thus have real competition or it should be nationalized. Ask any older person you know if they'd like to get rid of Medicare. Our health care system is a joke. I went to have a consult with a surgeon for what will be minor surgery. Fifteen minute conversation. Got a bill for $800. When I called the doctor's office to inquire about the astronomical bill, the administrative person tried to blame the price on the insurance company--saying that the insurance company sets the price. That is total nonsense--a lie.
 
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McDad said:
And, the one before him.
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know anything about ANY issue. He doesn't read--and he doesn't care. His schtick is to bull$hit his base (and others) with a lot of second-grade-level boasting about how many "great" things he's doing--when in fact he's done nothing but dismantle a lot of the sound stuff that the Obama administration did. He's basically being led around by the extremist wing of the Republican Congress--and if there is a lot of blowback he will eventually recalibrate and take a different tack. Thus the House Trumpcare bill that he thought was "great" and boasted about is now described as "mean." The Republicans have no health-care philosophy--no governing philosophy--that doesn't involve doing favors for the wealth and big business. That is their reason for being--period--and consumers/average Americans/workers be damned.
 
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Dang, McDad. He's got you pegged as a completely crude person.

I thought you more refined. But I guess you're a bit more slippery than I suspected.
 
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armchair said:
Socialized/nationalized health care does not mean making your entire economy socialized. Ask older Americans if they like Medicare--they couldn't live without it. America's health care system is terrible--the worst of both public and private systems. Drug prices are a massive scandal because Congress is deep in the pocket of Big Pharm. Who doubts that? GOP congressmen care FAR MORE about doing favors for big business than helping Americans, and it is shocking that so many people apparently don't realize it. They've made it illegal for the U.S. government/Medicare to negotiate drug prices directly, which would save many billions of dollars. Why? To protect the already massive profits of drug companies. Drug companies sell their medicine in Europe for one-fifth the price it is sold here--and yet companies/retailers/individuals cannot buy drugs from Canada or elsewhere. So Congress is basically screwing the American people. Health care prices are a huge scandal. The drug industry is completely corrupt--and it corrupts craven politicians, especially Republicans.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...-common-medication-455-million-specialty-pill
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TN Ribs said:
The Bill will be right out of the the GOP playbook - tax cuts for corporations and the wealthiest Americans. Meanwhile, everybody else will get screwed, it's the GOP way!
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When you realize that both parties in all aspects, avenues, and ways and means are exactly the same in their corruption and self serving attitudes, then, maybe, you will begin to see that the entire collection of "politicians" as a whole don't care about you or anyone else.

Why is this so hard to understand, BOTH parties are the same, they just package their crap in different colored and labeled boxes they hope their constituency continues to buy, so they can continue having a job.

This is the problem, and will continue to be the problem. Keep your loyalty and hopes up for those elected pos, I'm sure they are going to come through for you.......
 
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lawgator1 said:
Over 55 million people are on Medicare. A number higher than that at any given time is eligible for Medicaid.

So roughly a third of the country are already on socialized medicine.
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And there's a reason hospitals fight for those left with commercial insurance; because hospitals cannot remain afloat on Medicare/Medicaid alone.
 
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armchair said:
from someone I presume is a crude person. It is the government's responsibility to look out for "the general welfare"---that is explicitly stated in the constitution. Without taxes and government we'd have the same sort of instability and chaos one sees in developing countries with weak tax systems and a lot of corruption. We have enough corruption of our own. You don't like "government" but are happy that corrupt politicians stiff you (and everybody else) to benefit already massively wealthy corporations? You're OK having your pocket picked by big corporations, because they're not "the government"? I don't mind paying taxes to live in a stable country. Our health care system should either be totally privatized and thus have real competition or it should be nationalized. Ask any older person you know if they'd like to get rid of Medicare. Our health care system is a joke. I went to have a consult with a surgeon for what will be minor surgery. Fifteen minute conversation. Got a bill for $800. When I called the doctor's office to inquire about the astronomical bill, the administrative person tried to blame the price on the insurance company--saying that the insurance company sets the price. That is total nonsense--a lie.
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Maybe the surgeon's wife needed a new Suburban, or he needed a new BMW?
 
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armchair said:
from someone I presume is a crude person. It is the government's responsibility to look out for "the general welfare"---that is explicitly stated in the constitution. Without taxes and government we'd have the same sort of instability and chaos one sees in developing countries with weak tax systems and a lot of corruption. We have enough corruption of our own. You don't like "government" but are happy that corrupt politicians stiff you (and everybody else) to benefit already massively wealthy corporations? You're OK having your pocket picked by big corporations, because they're not "the government"? I don't mind paying taxes to live in a stable country. Our health care system should either be totally privatized and thus have real competition or it should be nationalized. Ask any older person you know if they'd like to get rid of Medicare. Our health care system is a joke. I went to have a consult with a surgeon for what will be minor surgery. Fifteen minute conversation. Got a bill for $800. When I called the doctor's office to inquire about the astronomical bill, the administrative person tried to blame the price on the insurance company--saying that the insurance company sets the price. That is total nonsense--a lie.
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Another nonsensical, wordy diatribe.

Point 1: General welfare benefits everyone, as in a general sense. Never intended to be specific welfare.
Point 2: "Big corporations" cant force me to do business. I have choice. I have no choice in taxation.
Point 3: im glad you like giving your money to your benevolent god of government. I dont.
Point 4: please go to cuba for all your future surgical needs.
 
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