What's in the Senate health care bill?

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lawgator1 said:
I disagree. It's so obviously superior to the hodge podge approach we've had for so long that the next guys that get up and explain why it doesn't mean 6 month waiting lists to get a flu shot win by a country mile.
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Disagree all you want. When has disconnecting the service from consumer ever worked? Never.
 
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McDad said:
LG finds a magic lamp. Rubs it, and out pops a genie. Genie grants him 3 wishes. "For my first wish, I want to be twice as wealthy." Poof! He was turned into a millionaire. "For my second wish, I want to be twice as handsome." Poof! He became Brad Pitt. "For my final wish", LG says, "I want to be twice as intelligent." Poof! He became GrandVol.
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Obsessed was also fortunate enough to be walking down the beach and find a magic lamp.... he rubs it and out comes the genie... the genies says " I will grant you three wishes, but know this..... whatever you wish for your wife will receive double"..... OB doesn't hesitate and wishes for a billion dollars... the genie says "it is so and your wife has two billion".... then OB wishes to be incredibly handsome .... the genie replies " it is so and your wife is amazingly beautiful".... OB ponders for a moment and says "Genie...... for my last wish I want you to beat me half to death."........
 
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lawgator1 said:
I disagree. It's so obviously superior to the hodge podge approach we've had for so long that the next guys that get up and explain why it doesn't mean 6 month waiting lists to get a flu shot win by a country mile.
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Hodgepodge?.... it all started going down hill when your fap idol implemented HIPPA
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Hodgepodge?.... it all started going down hill when your fap idol implemented HIPPA
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Began before then. 2 most significant issues. 1. Hospitals were prevented from denying care. Which created a problem which needed "solving". 2. Health insurance went from a catastrophic coverage approach to a total coverage approach. Oddly, businesses were the driver for this as health insurance benefits became a lure to attract good employees.
 
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McDad said:
Began before then. 2 most significant issues. 1. Hospitals were prevented from denying care. Which created a problem which needed "solving". 2. Health insurance went from a catastrophic coverage approach to a total coverage approach. Oddly, businesses were the driver for this as health insurance benefits became a lure to attract good employees.
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True, but I couldn't blame those things on Clinton.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Obsessed was also fortunate enough to be walking down the beach and find a magic lamp.... he rubs it and out comes the genie... the genies says " I will grant you three wishes, but know this..... whatever you wish for your wife will receive double"..... OB doesn't hesitate and wishes for a billion dollars... the genie says "it is so and your wife has two billion".... then OB wishes to be incredibly handsome .... the genie replies " it is so and your wife is amazingly beautiful".... OB ponders for a moment and says "Genie...... for my last wish I want you to beat me half to death."........
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That's some good **** right there!!!

Lmao.
 
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McDad said:
It's crap. The implementation was crap.

It only serves as a bridge to socialized health care. But LG and every other socialist wants to compare which turd has a better aroma.
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You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
 
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So the answer to 40 million Who "can't afford it" is a system where 28 million still are uninsured and nobody can afford it. Brilliant.
 
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armchair said:
You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
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First, I believe the number was 30 million. Secondly, can you tell me the number of people that now have health insurance but don't use it because after paying the premiums they can't afford the deductibles?
 
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armchair said:
You mean the health care system that EVERY other advanced nation in the world has? I guess we're smarter than all the other OECD countries in the world, eh? Our system is so damn good we pay 4x and 5x times the prices--for everything-- that are paid in Japan, Germany, Britain, Sweden, etc. Damn, we're lucky!

Our system is so good that before the ACA, some 40 million people had no health insurance because, essentially, they couldn't afford it--so if they have a serious medical problem they will end up in bankruptcy. Even most of the people WITH insurance have crap catastrophic, high-deductible policies that cover little because a good policy is far too expensive. What's more, employers that used to cover a big chunk of health premiums rarely do so anymore. Wow: if only those poor suckers in other advanced countries knew what they were missing! Of course, the very people who'd benefit the most from nationalized health care are the very people llke you who complain about "socialized" health care because they've heard weird right-wing talk-show hosts complain about it. They'd rather get sick and go bankrupt! It's the same (lack of) logic that prompts rural folk and red staters to vote for asshats like Trump and Republican pols whose main goal is to stiff average Americans in every way they can.

Redneck "reasoning." Oh, my!
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Apparently you are forgetting the little financial problems those oh so social countries have been facing. Did you forget Greece, Spain, Italy, ... I suppose if someone else built our country back after WW2 and paid for our defense, we might have a lot of un-allocated tax money around for questionable needs, too.

Most of the extreme socialist countries (called Communist) collapsed - socialism doesn't work.
 
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AM64 said:
Apparently you are forgetting the little financial problems those oh so social countries have been facing. Did you forget Greece, Spain, Italy, ... I suppose if someone else built our country back after WW2 and paid for our defense, we might have a lot of un-allocated tax money around for questionable needs, too.

Most of the extreme socialist countries (called Communist) collapsed - socialism doesn't work.
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Over 55 million people are on Medicare. A number higher than that at any given time is eligible for Medicaid.

So roughly a third of the country are already on socialized medicine.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Over 55 million people are on Medicare. A number higher than that at any given time is eligible for Medicaid.

So roughly a third of the country are already on socialized medicine.
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And true to form, isn't the system considered either bankrupt or on the verge? Also, people on Medicare do pay premiums; it's not entirely tax supported.
 
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