U.S. military told to get ready in Korea standoff

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Just launch a couple of tomahawks and blow up some of Kim Jong porn stashes and he will get the picture.
 
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I don't understand this. I thought you guys had conclusively established that Obama was the biggest apologist wuss in history and here he is telling the US military to match up with the S Koreans and do these military exercises? That doesn't make any sense.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't understand this. I thought you guys had conclusively established that Obama was the biggest apologist wuss in history and here he is telling the US military to match up with the S Koreans and do these military exercises? That doesn't make any sense.
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The administration isn't driving this. This is readiness 101 and is based upon intelligence estimates.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The administration isn't driving this. This is readiness 101 and is based upon intelligence estimates.
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The article said that the president had ordered our commanders to participate in these exercises and also approved our support for sanctions efforts at the UN by S Korea, not to mention all of this leading to Japan keeping our base there because of the recent sword rattling.

I'm not saying that Obama sits for days in the War Room plotting out troop movements. But its fair to say I think that he has been informed of what's going on and has made some decisions along the way, no doubt at the advice of the military commanders, to send the unmistakeable signal to NKorea that we are ready, willing, and able to defend SKorea should action erupt.

Just pointing out that while some criticize Obama incessantly for what they perceive to be some sort of kowtowing approach to Iran, he's showing serious resolve with NKorea.

The two situations are different. Just saying it demonstrates that its about the politics and realities of each situation and they (administration, intelligence agencies, and military) know way more than we do.
 
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Obama has no choice in the matter, he has troops established in the region who would almost certainly become targets of any attack by NK. Not to mention SK is a close and needed ally in the region. I think Obama is doing the right thing in NK for what it's worth but as you said it's a totally different situation than that of Iran. Obama's hand has been forced in NK where as he has employed a rather naive strategy with Iran and he has been rebuffed publicly and gained no head way.
 
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I don't think much has changed as far as US posture other than perhaps closing posts to civilians and restricting off camp activities.

Our posture has always been to be prepared for th defense of the western corridor and fight alongside the ROKA. Just a few more security measures being taken and the American public now knows what we've been doing for years.
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How good is our (or South Korea's) intelligence?

Can we determine whether that torpedoing was ordered from the top or if it was a rogue military commander?
 
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Velo Vol said:
How good is our (or South Korea's) intelligence?

Can we determine whether that torpedoing was ordered from the top or if it was a rogue military commander?
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As someone rightfully pointed out to me, it's irrelevant if North Korea doesn't claim it was a rogue commander.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The article said that the president had ordered our commanders to participate in these exercises and also approved our support for sanctions efforts at the UN by S Korea, not to mention all of this leading to Japan keeping our base there because of the recent sword rattling.

we always participate because we organize them and run them. Think about how smart it is to participate in something as merely a show of force, but to follow up by letting everyone know that it's the purpose of the exercises.

I'm not saying that Obama sits for days in the War Room plotting out troop movements. But its fair to say I think that he has been informed of what's going on and has made some decisions along the way, no doubt at the advice of the military commanders, to send the unmistakeable signal to NKorea that we are ready, willing, and able to defend SKorea should action erupt.

you really think he's showing that, or might it be the 29k troops living in that hell hole. This is anything but an unmistakable signal. This is sitting back as our ally watches people die.

Just pointing out that while some criticize Obama incessantly for what they perceive to be some sort of kowtowing approach to Iran, he's showing serious resolve with NKorea.

you can't really think this is serious resolve.

The two situations are different. Just saying it demonstrates that its about the politics and realities of each situation and they (administration, intelligence agencies, and military) know way more than we do.
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See Bold.

This is hardly something to hang one's hat on as to Obama's potential hawkishness. He's a man of words and a man who believes words to be supremely powerful.
 
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But I thought if we acted different and smiled and bowed and appologized to the world that everyone would love us again? Wheres the love?????????
 
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IPorange said:
As someone rightfully pointed out to me, it's irrelevant if North Korea doesn't claim it was a rogue commander.
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Submarine commander trying to start a war and national head idiot trying to start a war are two different matters.
 
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He's only bold because the U.S is stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan and don't have the troops to open another front in Asia.
 
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I don't see how S Korea can let 46 people die without retaliation, especially with the US as an ally.
 
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Heebs said:
I don't see how S Korea can let 46 people die without retaliation, especially with the US as an ally.
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because of the fact that there is a very large population within artillery range of the DMZ....the destruction that the NKPA would inflict in the first few days (before the guns were knocked out) would be catastrophic....
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JTrainDavis said:
because of the fact that there is a very large population within artillery range of the DMZ....the destruction that the NKPA would inflict in the first few days (before the guns were knocked out) would be catastrophic....
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Yes, and there would no longer be any bridges crossing the Han. Those North, are staying North. Camp Casey would be a wasteland and we'd hope beyond hope that Osan is far enough south.
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BigPapaVol said:
Yes, and there would no longer be any bridges crossing the Han. Those North, are staying North. Camp Casey would be a wasteland and we'd hope beyond hope that Osan is far enough south.
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I always got a kick out of the whole idea that 2ID would fight a delaying action and regroup around Seoul.

I also figured, being up on the Imjin, that the Rock Drops designed to keep NKPA armor out would serve to keep the Cav in... assuming, like you said, that any of our armor made it out of the motorpool.

My personal contingency was to head south when the rounds dropped and hope i found some ROKs before NKPA.
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Velo Vol said:
How good is our (or South Korea's) intelligence?

Can we determine whether that torpedoing was ordered from the top or if it was a rogue military commander?
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You take stupidity and/or ignorance to new levels.

Not to mention your ignorance of the history of past events in the area.




JTrainDavis said:
I don't think much has changed as far as US posture other than perhaps closing posts to civilians and restricting off camp activities.

Our posture has always been to be prepared for th defense of the western corridor and fight alongside the ROKA. Just a few more security measures being taken and the American public now knows what we've been doing for years.
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We have about 26,000 troops deployed there, right?



Oldvol75 said:
But I thought if we acted different and smiled and bowed and appologized to the world that everyone would love us again? Wheres the love?????????
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Kissing ass has it's good points, but only for ass kissers I think, not many other people really appreciate it, I guess I'm sort of predjudiced, not having tried it, how the hell would I know??




oklavol said:
He's only bold because the U.S is stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan and don't have the troops to open another front in Asia.
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Or on the Mexican border either.





Heebs said:
I don't see how S Korea can let 46 people die without retaliation, especially with the US as an ally.
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Nothing new really, this has been going on for quite sometime, remember the Pueblo?

Remember we didn't ever get back our POWs from way back when??
 
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So little Kim Jong Il can kill as many as he wants to and nobody will do anything about it?
 
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Heebs said:
So little Kim Jong Il can kill as many as he wants to and nobody will do anything about it?
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It's a matter of weighing the cost of the most heavily defended border in the world going hot versus biding time hoping NK will collapse eventually.. what happened was awful, but I don't think the ROK is too keen on having the most heavily populated area of their country leveled by the highest concentration of heavy arty in the world to avenge the sinking.
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JTrainDavis said:
It's a matter of weighing the cost of the most heavily defended border in the world going hot versus biding time hoping NK will collapse eventually.. what happened was awful, but I don't think the ROK is too keen on having the most heavily populated area of their country leveled by the highest concentration of heavy arty in the world to avenge the sinking.
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It wouldn't take all day to eliminate all that arty either, if you stop to think about it.
 
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Korea was my 1st duty station when I joined the military. I was stationed about 13 miles from the dmz. The large exercise they have going on now takes place every year it's called "Team Spirit", or it use to be. All u do is ride around for about 3 weeks & do alot of simulating. Alot of the smaller more meaningful training exercises take place close to the dmz I guess as a show of force or something. I'm talking demo ranges & such. I don't see much come of all this.
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gsvol said:
It wouldn't take all day to eliminate all that arty either, if you stop to think about it.
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how are you figuring? A boatload of guns with pre plotted priorities of fire, and plenty of ammo on hand.

Due to the differences in the 2 nations as far as openness goes, the NKPA has far better intel as far as positioning than we do.

The destruction would be on a level that hasn't been seen since WW2.

I fail to see your point...as to how we will quickly dispose of this massed FA before it hammers everything in range.
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