The Gender Pay Gap is a Myth

[hog88]

Is the employer portion that the company must continue to pay not a mandated expense? That's what I thought.

Assuming the employer pays anything and the employer is required to offer FMLA. We're not.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is the employer portion that the company must continue to pay not a mandated expense? That's what I thought.

That is so weak.

The law says that they can't lose their job, nor can they lose the benefits of their job. It does not provide salary or hourly wage for un-worked time, which is the context of this discussion.

Pressing this point is literally just being intellectually dishonest.

 

[luthervol]

Who are YOU to tell my wife and I how to make decisions about child care, simple mind?

You questioned whether men who stayed at work and allowed their wives to pick up kids from school closings were living up to their rearing obligations. Who do you think you are you pompous blowhard?

My wife made the decision to stay home and raise our kids and she was probably the most important figure in our home. You disparage her image with your drivel.

I worked hard to earn a living while still being heavily invested in our kids' lives. Neither my wife, nor myself, expected my employer or her potential employer to come out of pocket for our family decisions, which were our responsibility.

Your arrogance made some incredibly stupid statements while insulting those who may disagree as simple minded.

Why don't you learn to watch, listen, think and learn before making a fool of yourself.

Now... I'll ask one more time, since the answer to my questions was "yes" to all...

Who do you think you are to judge that I was failing my duties in raising my kids? Where do you get off to be that unthinking?

A member of the society in which you live.

You can be borderline psychotic at times. As an example of one of the many things you got wrong.....I never once said anything about a mother who stayed home to raise their kids. Why did you get off on that tangent?

I asked you one question that you never answered. Do you support the family leave act?

 

[hog88]

That is so weak.

The law says that they can't lose their job, nor can they lose the benefits of their job. It does not provide salary or hourly wage for un-worked time, which is the context of this discussion.

Pressing this point is literally just being intellectually dishonest.

If the employee doesn't pay their required contribution they can lose their health benefits. Also the employer isn't required to count FMLA time towards seniority, accrued time off or contribute to a retirement plan while the emploee is on leave.

 

[hog88]

A member of the society in which you live.

You can be borderline psychotic at times. As an example of one of the many things you got wrong.....I never once said anything about a mother who stayed home to raise their kids. Why did you get off on that tangent?

I asked you one question that you never answered. Do you support the family leave act?

I'll answer for him.

No I do not support FMLA.

 

[luthervol]

That is so weak.

The law says that they can't lose their job, nor can they lose the benefits of their job. It does not provide salary or hourly wage for un-worked time, which is the context of this discussion.

Pressing this point is literally just being intellectually dishonest.

You lost the point. That's okay. Employers are already currently forced to pay benefits for absent employees.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

That is so weak.

The law says that they can't lose their job, nor can they lose the benefits of their job. It does not provide salary or hourly wage for un-worked time, which is the context of this discussion.

Pressing this point is literally just being intellectually dishonest.

Come on now. Lots of people take a job just for the benefits. No salary for me thanks, just health coverage.

 

[Orange_Crush]

A member of the society in which you live.

You can be borderline psychotic at times. As an example of one of the many things you got wrong.....I never once said anything about a mother who stayed home to raise their kids. Why did you get off on that tangent?

I asked you one question that you never answered. Do you support the family leave act?

I do. You don't understand it.

Nothing psychotic about my answer. I used myself and my wife as one example among many where your judgment is trumping the decisions made by couples about how they will handle the care of their children in balance with earning a living.

I have a female coworker whose job earns much more $$$ than her husband, so he is the one to take off and get the kids. She's not shirking her duties as a parent either.

I report up to a female director whose husband is a stay at home dad. She's not shirking her duties either.

You made a stupid, unthinking, simple minded comment. I pointed it out. You'd do well to sit back and think a bit deeper before showing everyone just how pompous, judgmental, and simple minded you are.

 

[Biopsyman]

Come on now. Lots of people take a job just for the benefits. No salary for me thanks, just health coverage.

so true... Especially those between 60 and medicare eligibility.. Could care less about the pay..

 

[Orange_Crush]

You lost the point. That's okay. Employers are already currently forced to pay benefits for absent employees.

And you are being intellectually dishonest in trying to convince anyone that that's the point. Go ahead. Double down. You're just revealing your moral fiber.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So help us simpleminded folk. Seriously. Is it your argument that corporations should be paying women to raise kids?

Are you making an argument about what corporations should be paying for?

Are you making an argument about how families should be internally divvying up parental responsibilities?

The simple minded need to know. What's your argument? This simpleton will have more questions, depending on the direction your answers send this simple conversation.

Let's just go with yes to your first 3 questions.

so everyone can see luther's desperation in trying to act like he's on point here.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Who do you think you are to tell corporations they should be paying people for non-work time?

Who do you think you are to make corporations responsible for women's sexual and maternal decisions?

Who do you think you are to tell families how they should decide to raise their families?

Quite the ego you have there, dictator.

A member of the society in which those corporations function. They are already told they must support those things. Family leave act ring a bell? Should that be eliminated?

And further...

 

[Orange_Crush]

If the employee doesn't pay their required contribution they can lose their health benefits. Also the employer isn't required to count FMLA time towards seniority, accrued time off or contribute to a retirement plan while the emploee is on leave.

luther wrote checks his knowledge couldn't cover, now he's scrambling. It's pitiable, but at least he's showing everyone what his character truly is, I guess.

Next time he rails about Donnie being a liar, we can just link him to this thread and remind him how tenuous his grasp on truth actually is.

 

[luthervol]

I do. You don't understand it.

Nothing psychotic about my answer. I used myself and my wife as one example among many where your judgment is trumping the decisions made by couples about how they will handle the care of their children in balance with earning a living.

I have a female coworker whose job earns much more $$$ than her husband, so he is the one to take off and get the kids. She's not shirking her duties as a parent either.

I report up to a female director whose husband is a stay at home dad. She's not shirking her duties either.

You made a stupid, unthinking, simple minded comment. I pointed it out. You'd do well to sit back and think a bit deeper before showing everyone just how pompous, judgmental, and simple minded you are.

Okay. I think we've traveled full circle and are back to my original post. Hoggs original comment that started all of this was that he had 4 female employees out and zero male employees out. Everyone is free to interpret his inferred point as they wish.

You'd do well to refrain from telling me what I should do.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Okay. I think we've traveled full circle and are back to my original post. Hoggs original comment that started all of this was that he had 4 female employees out and zero male employees out. Everyone is free to interpret his inferred point as they wish.

You'd do well to refrain from telling me what I should do.

That's rich. What if I said, "I'm someone who lives in your society"?

I asked you specific questions, which you specifically answered. There's no wiggle room for you here. Enjoy.

And his original point was blunt. They aren't paying people to leave work.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Let's just go with yes to your first 3 questions.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A member of the society in which those corporations function. They are already told they must support those things. Family leave act ring a bell? Should that be eliminated?

Yes it should.

 

[luthervol]

That's rich. What if I said, "I'm someone who lives in your society"?

I asked you specific questions, which you specifically answered. There's no wiggle room for you here. Enjoy.

And his original point was blunt. They aren't paying people to leave work.

There's no better proof to my original point. Hoggs' statement can be viewed as blunt (simple) or it can be looked at on a deeper level....depending on the abilities of the observer.

 

[Orange_Crush]

There's no better proof to my original point. Hoggs' statement can be viewed as blunt (simple) or it can be looked at on a deeper level....depending on the abilities of the observer.

Hogg, what was your point?

 

[luthervol]

Yes it should.

I know that some feel that way. That's why I asked. It's not a political position that is held by many. But it is an act that is here to stay. No sane politician argues for its abolition..

 

[luthervol]

so everyone can see luther's desperation in trying to act like he's on point here.

There is certainly desperation being exhibited in this thread. VN, feel free to judge.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I know that some feel that way. That's why I asked. It's not a political position that is held by many. But it is an act that is here to stay. No sane politician argues for its abolition..

Oh I realize that. It is just more socialist big government meddling in private enterprise.

The reality in this thing called life is that you cannot have it all. You have to make super human efforts/sacrifices to have both a 'career' and be an excellent mom. Doing both is -the majority of times- a disservice to both being a mom and having an excellent career. But for many, mediocrity is a goal. I guess.

 

[hog88]

Hogg, what was your point?

Women spend less time at work than men. No wage gap.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Women spend less time at work than men. No wage gap.

Thank you.

 

[Madscientistvol]

Oh I realize that. It is just more socialist big government meddling in private enterprise.

The reality in this thing called life is that you cannot have it all. You have to make super human efforts/sacrifices to have both a 'career' and be an excellent mom. Doing both is -the majority of times- a disservice to both being a mom and having an excellent career. But for many, mediocrity is a goal. I guess.

Also, feminism tells them they should have a career and live whatever their dream is, unless that dream is to be a full time mother/homemaker. Fact is that most mothers I know would be more than happy to be a homemaker if their family economics permitted.