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#26
#26
Well you know we didn't get any recruits because of else something happened that one year then she left..and the players want to play for holly they have all said it I mean don't get me wrong they want to play for the school too but you just don't go to a school without building a relationship with the coach
 
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#27
#27
The coach that follows Saban, Geno A, and Belichick will all be in the same no win situations Holly is in.


If they make a habit of saying, "I don't know" in press conferences? Yeah, you're right. Holly isn't in a no win situation, she has created it herself. It's not easy to stock up patience for her when she pours gasoline on it and strikes the match.
 
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Well you know we didn't get any recruits because of else something happened that one year then she left..and the players want to play for holly they have all said it I mean don't get me wrong they want to play for the school too but you just don't go to a school without building a relationship with the coach

Saying it and DOING it are two different things.......where does THAT blame lie????
 
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#31
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Well you know we didn't get any recruits because of else something happened that one year then she left..and the players want to play for holly they have all said it I mean don't get me wrong they want to play for the school too but you just don't go to a school without building a relationship with the coach

What happened that one year as I am not sure I have heard this excuse yet?
 
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#33
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But Holly chose that situation just as those future replacements for the coaches you listed will too. Warlick can't control the fact that she is following a legend. What she can control is her approach and how she prepares her teams.

Most people have been fairly specific in what they identify as causes for concern. She needs to shed the assistant/"buddy" image and take control.

Fans want to see the team guard better in open space, contest (not surrender) shots, regularly take away baseline, rotate and help on defense (like we see the men's team do so proficiently), out-rebound opponents, and be able to attack a zone defense successfully. Develop and challenge players. Stop accepting repeated mistakes and turnovers by shrugging them off as youth. Hold players accountable. Reproach.

And before you say that that's what every coach wants, keep in mind that we are putting some highly recruited players on the floor. Many programs are getting more out of less. If we are losing in the second round of the NCAA Tournament to Oregon St. in Knoxville, TN, we are underachieving.

Go watch the men's team practice and teach team defense and take notes. Teaching team defense is not a fun part of the game, but it's necessary. Provide discipline. They will still like you and respect you.

Well spoken
 
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#34
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Saying it and DOING it are two different things.......where does THAT blame lie????
Idk what yalls problem is with coach but you gotta get over it they are trying to do what she asks..it's a team sport when we win everybody did their part when we lose everybody didn't do their part
 
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#36
This will be Fulmer’s first mistake as AD

If he is going to make one I just as soon it be with this. Let Holly sink herself or build it back. I think it will be sink, and of course Holly will blame it on the fans but whatever. Bring on Football,Softball and Mens Basketball. GBO!!!!
 
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If he is going to make one I just as soon it be with this. Let Holly sink herself or build it back. I think it will be sink, and of course Holly will blame it on the fans but whatever. Bring on Football,Softball and Mens Basketball. GBO!!!!

He’s been put in a tough situation for sure. If you weren’t going to fire her, you almost have to give her extension. If you eventually get rid of her, you’ll just have to eat that money you paid her
 
#39
#39
Elzy was the main recruiter then reported it back to coach the year she left she really wasn't trying then went right back to Kentucky

So a former Lady Vol and with UT for 4 years just ups and quits recruiting and our Head coach doesnt notice that? That makes a lot of sense, I am thinking she finally noticed that Holly couldn't coach and decided to get out while she could, but I guess we can use whatever excuses need to be made on why that class struck out on every good player in the class and we took two that really have very little business playing at Ut.
 
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#40
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So a former Lady Vol and with UT for 4 years just ups and quits recruiting and our Head coach doesnt notice that? That makes a lot of sense, I am thinking she finally noticed that Holly couldn't coach and decided to get out while she could, but I guess we can use whatever excuses need to be made on why that class struck out on every good player in the class and we took two that really have very little business playing at Ut.
Green is a good player and nun is a good player so I hope you not referring to them..and holly is a good coach and elzy went back to Kentucky Kentucky hasn't really been the same since O'Neil and them graduated but she chose to go back but something did happen
 
#42
#42
I mean hey that's my opinion y'all can say what y'all want I'm just tired of all this "fire holly" mess it's stupid she's the coach..thought you supposed to have your coach back??!!
 
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That really worked well the year we signed a hurt JUCO(Green) and the other player that never plays(Harris) you know the year BEFORE Reaves showed up! That was the year we couldn't get any top player to sign with TN and a primary reason with 3 WNBA draft picks Holly still set the record for most Lady's Vol losses and why we can continue to make up the excuse of being young now since one recruiting cycle was wasted! Reaves came in and set the number 1 recruiting class and another highly ranked class while Holly signed a hurt juco and 3 star Kamera. Reaves is the recruiting superstar there or else after a Elite 8 they shouldn't have had to reach to get Green and Harris.

There's way more to this, but I can tell that you really don't care to know & understand.

FAHR HOLLY.
 
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#47
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But Holly chose that situation just as those future replacements for the coaches you listed will too. Warlick can't control the fact that she is following a legend. What she can control is her approach and how she prepares her teams.

Most people have been fairly specific in what they identify as causes for concern. She needs to shed the assistant/"buddy" image and take control.

Fans want to see the team guard better in open space, contest (not surrender) shots, regularly take away baseline, rotate and help on defense (like we see the men's team do so proficiently), out-rebound opponents, and be able to attack a zone defense successfully. Develop and challenge players. Stop accepting repeated mistakes and turnovers by shrugging them off as youth. Hold players accountable. Reproach.

And before you say that that's what every coach wants, keep in mind that we are putting some highly recruited players on the floor. Many programs are getting more out of less. If we are losing in the second round of the NCAA Tournament to Oregon St. in Knoxville, TN, we are underachieving.

Go watch the men's team practice and teach team defense and take notes. Teaching team defense is not a fun part of the game, but it's necessary. Provide discipline. They will still like you and respect you.


I agree with the technical improvements you're suggesting, though I do think it sounds like a list for every team including ones with great players.

I just wanted to note that so much of this dissatisfaction stems from perception.

You realize Oregon State finished as #8 in the country and had a first round WNBA player. (They were NCAA under-seeded due to their SOS.) TN didn't play well and could've won. I see it as disappointing but not shameful or fahr-worthy.

As for the men's team, Barnes has over 30 years as a HEAD COACH. He had a losing record his first 2 years at TN. He had a great season this past year because of no expectations.

He actually finished the NCAA tourney at the same point with about the same record. Yes, he did it without HS AA's. But he wasn't ABLE to recruit them to TN. A lot of players don't want to play for Barnes because of his system and harsh style.

(Don't get me wrong. I really like Coach Barnes as a person and as a coach...though he doesn't take time outs or coach with a lot of antimated sideline passion [HW critiques].)

Just seems like nothing will please folks with Holly. National title or bust! Perception.
 
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#48
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I agree with the technical improvements you're suggesting, though I do think it sounds like a list for every team including ones with great players.

I just wanted to note that so much of this dissatisfaction stems from perception.

You realize Oregon State finished as #8 in the country and had a first round WNBA player. (They were NCAA under-seeded due to their SOS.) TN didn't play well and could've won. I see it as disappointing but not shameful or fahr-worthy.

As for the men's team, Barnes has over 30 years as a HEAD COACH. He had a losing record his first 2 years at TN. He had a great season this past year because of no expectations.

He actually finished the NCAA tourney at the same point with about the same record. Yes, he did it without HS AA's. But he wasn't ABLE to recruit them to TN. A lot of players don't want to play for Barnes because of his system and harsh style.

(Don't get me wrong. I really like Coach Barnes as a person and as a coach...though he doesn't take time outs or coach with a lot of antimated sideline passion [HW critiques].)

Just seems like nothing will please folks with Holly. National title or bust! Perception.

Neither perception nor won-loss comparisons in my case. It's all about trajectory, both of the program and of the individual players. Barnes trajectory is upward on both counts, Warlick's is the opposite. THAT'S the problem.

I do allow that Warlick had much further to fall given the 'Summitt' she started out on. But my opinion is the drop off has been far more precipitous than it should have been and that the causes have been repeated through different groups of players, thereby making coaching the prime suspect.

Most disturbing comparison to me is in player development. Barnes seems to be great at it, Warlick terrible at it. That will devastate recruiting sooner rather than later I fear.

There's constant inaccurate perception posted that those
of us who feel this way are "Holly haters" who say "National title or bust". Untrue. There's alot of ground between the two tribal extremes, but I get that's no fun to acknowledge behind internet anonymity. We all do it, right?
 
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#49
#49
The one thing that Holly or her Assistants have done very well is recruit. This is the main reason she faces higher expectations as well as the fact that Summitt built a National program that was number one.
When you have upwards of 7 McDonalds All Americans in the roster you shouldn't be losing the games that she is losing. Your record vs the top twenty should be better and you should never lose an NCAA game at home in the first two rounds. The fact that you are allowed the first two games at home is because you are rated higher than the teams you will be playing. This not even considering the home court advantage.
She is the coach next year so ready to move on. Her performance has been subpar based on the talent she has recruited. If her staff could coach like they have recruited we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
 
#50
#50
Idk what yalls problem is with coach but you gotta get over it they are trying to do what she asks..it's a team sport when we win everybody did their part when we lose everybody didn't do their part

My point went so far over your head that it is comical.....carry on
 

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