Here is my problem with Gruden

[ClearwaterVol]

He’s just not that good of a coach.

- His career winning percentage is .540 - Jimmy Johnson .556, Chuck Noll .560, Marv Levy .560, Tom Coughlin .530, Tom Flores .527, Bill Parcells .569. All with multiple super bowl appearances.
- Only made the playoffs 5 out of 11 years. He took over a crap team in oakland. He took over a team in Tampa that got put in salary cap jail because of decisions mad before his arrival and a team that gave up 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks to get him.
- After winning his SB, he went on to have losing seasons in 3 of the next 4 years. Salary Cap hell due to aging players on the defense that were given massive deals. And draft pick issue.
- He won his SB with Dungys players and really only won because the opposing QB threw 2pic 6s. This is just complete horsepuckey. Gruden brought in 23 of the 56 players on that SB winning team. He revamped the offense that in years prior would routinely score less than 14 points while winning. In that SB, he had the advantage of playing his old team that still used his system. Dungy never even sniffs that super bowl.

Don’t understand the fascination to be honest. He has also said if he had to coach on the college level he would have the school in NCAA trouble within 10 min because he would not be able to abide by the rules. He was joking that he liked to work too much. It's not really a serious comment.


This is the guy you’re hanging your hopes on? Really?

Your post is full of ignorance and you didn't take the time to really examine the issues. BTW, not saying he is coming.

 

[volfannbama]

"Most of the time, college football is simply about who has the most talent. Jon Gruden will give Tennessee a significant recruiting advantage irregardless of any possible coaching deficiencies."

Teddy Roosevelt, 1913

Teddy Roosevelt had a qoute about John Gruden in 1913? Wow thats insane

 

[volcop1]

He aint coming.

he just plays UT for publicity and attention

 

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“Dan Mullen is only at .602 and has a bunch of losing seasons. That’s why if I need a HS coach, I’d turn him down.” Lol

You’re embarrassing yourself. You should stop

 

[ButchPlz]

Teddy Roosevelt had a qoute about John Gruden in 1913? Wow thats insane

It's fake news. That's actually a quote from Andrew Jackson that ol Teddy ripped off.

 

[99gator]

Why not Gary Kubiak?

Other than TV, what’s the difference?

 

[volfannbama]

It's fake news. That's actually a quote from Andrew Jackson that ol Teddy ripped off.

Either way, qouting about JG that long ago is pretty impressive dont you think?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Why not Gary Kubiak?

Other than TV, what’s the difference?

Honestly, not much. The ability to recruit on name alone is what sets Gruden apart.

 

[NashVol11]

You’re embarrassing yourself. You should stop

Did you mean to reply to the OP?

 

[vik]

He’s just not that good of a coach.

- His career winning percentage is .540
- Only made the playoffs 5 out of 11 years
- After winning his SB, he went on to have losing seasons in 3 of the next 4 years
- He won his SB with Dungys players and really only won because the opposing QB threw 2pic 6s

Don’t understand the fascination to be honest. He has also said if he had to coach on the college level he would have the school in NCAA trouble within 10 min because he would not be able to abide by the rules.


This is the guy you’re hanging your hopes on? Really?

I think he deserves a lot more credit than he gets for building the Raiders into a really good team.

People should pay attention to what he build at Oakland. If not for a really good Ravens team featuring Jamal Lewis, and for a very obscure rule called, "the tuck rule," then the Raiders team Gruden built may very well could have won three Superbowls in a row.

 

[NashVol11]

You’re embarrassing yourself. You should stop

Tell me again about how the guy with a Super Bowl ring, who had the Raiders good for the first time in forever, is “not that good of a coach.” Lmao

 

[ButchPlz]

Either way, qouting about JG that long ago is pretty impressive dont you think?

There was some serious foresight back in the day. Ah, I remember 1850 like it was yesterday...

 

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Your post is full of ignorance and you didn't take the time to really examine the issues. BTW, not saying he is coming.

Your post is full of half truths and justifications for an average coach that you think is UT’s savior.

 

[volfannbama]

Did you mean to reply to the OP?

In all honesty it looks like the Gruden folks are the ones embarrassing themselves in this thread.
One said he won 2 afc titles before taking tb to the sb, then corrected himself while still being wrong and having to be corrected by a sleazy reptile
One referenced him in a qoute from 1913

 

[Rudy123]

He’s just not that good of a coach.

- His career winning percentage is .540
- Only made the playoffs 5 out of 11 years
- After winning his SB, he went on to have losing seasons in 3 of the next 4 years
- He won his SB with Dungys players and really only won because the opposing QB threw 2pic 6s

Don’t understand the fascination to be honest. He has also said if he had to coach on the college level he would have the school in NCAA trouble within 10 min because he would not be able to abide by the rules.


This is the guy you’re hanging your hopes on? Really?

Here is the issue with Tom Brady. He was not really a long term starter at Michigan. Also, he has not real strength and slumps when he stands. He is not a gifted athlete. I would not draft him.

Also, Mugsy Boges is too short to be an NBA player. He will be overwhelmed and likely will have his shots blocked often.

Charles Barley is fat and out of shape and too short to succeed as a forward in the NBA. I predict that he will be a complete bust.

The issue with Michael Jordon is that he wasn't even able to make his school's varsity team as a freshman. I wouldn't be surprised if he never was offered a college scholarship at any university.

 

[NashVol11]

In all honesty it looks like the Gruden folks are the ones embarrassing themselves in this thread.
One said he won 2 afc titles before taking tb to the sb, then corrected himself while still being wrong and having to be corrected by a sleazy reptile
One referenced him in a qoute from 1913

You really missed on that one. Badly.

 

[golfballs]

I'd rather have Jon Gruden than Mike Norvell.....

Also, in the pros so much of a teams success is based on the cards their dealt. John Fox can look like a goat in Charlotte then go win a SB in Denver.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Your post is full of half truths and justifications for an average coach that you think is UT’s savior.

Name one inaccuracy or half truth in my quote. I did not express an opinion on Jon Gruden's coaching ability or any opinion on whether he would succeed. I just pointed out the ignorance in your statements.

 

[secking]

He won 2 AFC titles with the raiders before going to Tampa where he won a super bowl with HIS team. The nfl isn’t college where a head coach picks and chooses his guys.

Jon Gruden:
1 Super Bowl appearance
2 Conference Champ appearances
3 Divisional appearances

Lovie Smith:
1 Super Bowl appearance
2 Conference Champ appearances
3 Divisional appearances
5-17 at Illinois

 

[golfballs]

OP, who do you prefer over Gruden?

 

[NashVol11]

Your post is full of half truths and justifications for an average coach that you think is UT’s savior.

If .540 with a Super Bowl ring = average coach, what is 15-17 with no playoff appearances? A below-average coach? A bad one?

 

[Probably_in_Class]

What years did he win those 2 afc titles?

I believe he meant AFC West titles. He didn't say that, but pretty sure that's what he meant.

 

[BigOrangeD]

IMO, Gruden just enjoys the hype and the pub. He will not coach again and risk failure.

Give me Mullen, Frost or Patterson.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

He’s just not that good of a coach.

- His career winning percentage is .540
- Only made the playoffs 5 out of 11 years
- After winning his SB, he went on to have losing seasons in 3 of the next 4 years
- He won his SB with Dungys players and really only won because the opposing QB threw 2pic 6s

Don’t understand the fascination to be honest. He has also said if he had to coach on the college level he would have the school in NCAA trouble within 10 min because he would not be able to abide by the rules.

This is the guy you’re hanging your hopes on? Really?

College football is all about recruiting. He can recruit without doing anything due to his TV/NFL persona. The only way to beat Bama is to out recruit them (take players they want). That will not happen with any of the other coaches on the hot list.

 

[GoBigOrange55]

He’s just not that good of a coach.

- His career winning percentage is .540
- Only made the playoffs 5 out of 11 years
- After winning his SB, he went on to have losing seasons in 3 of the next 4 years
- He won his SB with Dungys players and really only won because the opposing QB threw 2pic 6s

Don’t understand the fascination to be honest. He has also said if he had to coach on the college level he would have the school in NCAA trouble within 10 min because he would not be able to abide by the rules.


This is the guy you’re hanging your hopes on? Really?

I agree. Tampa Bay and the Raiders have been dominant NFL franchises since he left. The he won with Dungy players statement makes no since. You are talking about the NFL not college. Yes he did take the same players that Dungy got fired with and took them to the super bowl and won it. I believe that says he is a better coach than Dungy.