GOP Has A Big Demographics Problem

[JCP201]

Anecdotally, most folks I know who voted for Trump are baby boomers longing for yesteryear. They're grumpy and DGAF what anyone thinks. Pretty sure Trump locked down that demographic. The younger voters are definitely more liberal.

Honestly, though, this is cyclical. It's almost like a grass is greener phenomenon. When things are looking down, we blame the party in power and vote the other way, and vice versa. Ironically, both parties pretty much suck.

Baby Boomers use to be the liberal ones with the peace signs and long hair of yesteryear who fought for other races and women's rights.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Baby Boomers use to be the liberal ones with the peace signs and long hair of yesteryear who fought for other races and women's rights.

It was about peace and free love. Worked great for a while then the girls caught on.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Younger voters are often liberal because they are young and stupid and have zero real world experience. That trend has the potential to continue into later adult years if they remain stupid and have no real world experience.

Case in point is that many libtards who scream about diversity and how we have to have it usually live in the most non diverse places..

 

[FLVOL_79]

....And the parties evolve. 5 years ago, your very own Democrats held the current Republican position on immigration. 50 years ago, a lot of them were fighting the Civil Rights Act.

When Obama got elected libtards screeched that the GOP was dead. Then the GOP won big in 2010. When Obama got elected libtards screeched the GOP was dead. The GOP won big in 2014. The GOP won BIGGLY in 2016. Apparently the GOP has been dying off for 10 years but they keep on winning.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Case in point is that many libtards who scream about diversity and how we have to have it usually live in the most non diverse places..

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[FLVOL_79]

It's also a function of an individual staying stagnant as society as a whole continually shifts left. That stagnation causes the individual's position on the continuum to appear to be moving right. In actuality, it's not so much that the individual is changing but more that the individual is not changing.

And today your party has finally reached the Anti American gender confusion bathroom pro choice pro crime pro violence platform. Pretty sure the pendulum isn't going to keep going towards your libtardian ideals.

 

[luthervol]

When Obama got elected libtards screeched that the GOP was dead. Then the GOP won big in 2010. When Obama got elected libtards screeched the GOP was dead. The GOP won big in 2014. The GOP won BIGGLY in 2016. Apparently the GOP has been dying off for 10 years but they keep on winning.

And the GOP continues to move, kicking and screaming, to the left in order to stay relevant. Think of the social issues being hotly debated throughout the last 40 years and how the GOP position has changed.

 

[FLVOL_79]

And the GOP continues to move, kicking and screaming, to the left in order to stay relevant. Think of the social issues being hotly debated throughout the last 40 years and how the GOP position has changed.

And that is why the DNC is the party of extremism. You have had to take on the most extreme social issues to stay relevant. Gotta keep jumping that shark over, and over, and over.

You'll look back in a few decades and realize that being anti American and pro crime didn't really pay off too well for you. Well hell, you can reflect on that right now to be honest. It got ya Trump :good!:

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And the only real social issue in the last 40 years was about gays. Unless I missed something. Can you brief us on what your Jim Jones-esque DNC pamphlets have a talking points to justify your relevance?

 

[orangepridenation]

The only guarantee is that the overall movement will continue left. We swing back and forth but the swing itself constantly shifts to the left.

I agree. I consider myself a centrist (or centralist, whatever ya wanna call it) because I tend to see it as the most rational place to be. I think the fringes on both sides are morons for the most part. Some elections push me left and others push me right depending on the issues at stake and my immediate perception of that crop of politicians. I agree that the Republicans will continue to inch left as the demographics shift. It's pretty much inevitable.

 

[luthervol]

And that is why the DNC is the party of extremism. You have had to take on the most extreme social issues to stay relevant. Gotta keep jumping that shark over, and over, and over.

You'll look back in a few decades and realize that being anti American and pro crime didn't really pay off too well for you. Well hell, you can reflect on that right now to be honest. It got ya Trump :good!:

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And the only real social issue in the last 40 years was about gays. Unless I missed something. Can you brief us on what your Jim Jones-esque DNC pamphlets have a talking points to justify your relevance?

The bolded is just stupid.

How prevalent and how accepted were bi-racial couples and children 40 years ago? Black/white, Hispanic/white, Asian/white....all were rare and frowned upon by many (some combinations were viewed as much less acceptable than others) Even the partnering of different religious indoctrinations were rare and "suspect".

People with those views today are considered dinosaurs, or alt-right white nationalist extremists.

 

[Vol0725]

Anecdotally, most folks I know who voted for Trump are baby boomers longing for yesteryear. They're grumpy and DGAF what anyone thinks. Pretty sure Trump locked down that demographic. The younger voters are definitely more liberal.

Honestly, though, this is cyclical. It's almost like a grass is greener phenomenon. When things are looking down, we blame the party in power and vote the other way, and vice versa. Ironically, both parties pretty much suck.

The 2-party system is slowly destroying America. We should consider changing the system to bring in new voices and new ideas. For this we need new political parties.


How To Burn Down The Two-Party System

Here are at least four ways it would change American politics.

1. More parties. The fastest way to create not just a third party, but a fourth and fifth, is to change the states’ electoral laws and create something closer to a proportional representation system. Imagine if Texas allocated its 36 congressional seats and hundreds of state House and state Senate seats this way. You would almost certainly see the Libertarian Party suddenly and dramatically increase its share of the vote as voters realize they can actually elect libertarians. You might also see a handful of honest-to-God socialists elected from Austin.
   
2. More democracy. Such a system would be more truly democratic. Only a third of Americans identify as Republican and a third as Democrats—yet nearly 100 percent of all elected offices nationwide are held by the two parties. Enabling more parties to compete for and win seats will allow the rest of Americans to actually be represented in their government. Imagine that.
   
3. More honesty. Such a change would make our political discourse more honest. Right now apologists for the two parties stretch credulity weaving artful lies about their party’s coherence and philosophical grounding. There is no overarching philosophy for either party: they are agglomerations of interests cobbled together to form a majority coalition. By contrast, in a proportional representation system, parties can stand for actual ideas, and citizens can argue for them with a straight face and without lying.
   
4. Stronger parties, fewer celebrities. A proportional representation system would also empower parties and deemphasize celebrity candidates. Assuming parties control the candidate lists put up at election time, there would be no Trumps—and no Schwarzeneggers, no Venturas, and definitely no Kardashians.

 

[evillawyer]

The 2-party system is slowly destroying America. We should consider changing the system to bring in new voices and new ideas. For this we need new political parties.

Here are at least four ways it would change American politics.

1. More parties. The fastest way to create not just a third party, but a fourth and fifth, is to change the states’ electoral laws and create something closer to a proportional representation system. Imagine if Texas allocated its 36 congressional seats and hundreds of state House and state Senate seats this way. You would almost certainly see the Libertarian Party suddenly and dramatically increase its share of the vote as voters realize they can actually elect libertarians. You might also see a handful of honest-to-God socialists elected from Austin.
   
2. More democracy. Such a system would be more truly democratic. Only a third of Americans identify as Republican and a third as Democrats—yet nearly 100 percent of all elected offices nationwide are held by the two parties. Enabling more parties to compete for and win seats will allow the rest of Americans to actually be represented in their government. Imagine that.
   
3. More honesty. Such a change would make our political discourse more honest. Right now apologists for the two parties stretch credulity weaving artful lies about their party’s coherence and philosophical grounding. There is no overarching philosophy for either party: they are agglomerations of interests cobbled together to form a majority coalition. By contrast, in a proportional representation system, parties can stand for actual ideas, and citizens can argue for them with a straight face and without lying.
   
4. Stronger parties, fewer celebrities. A proportional representation system would also empower parties and deemphasize celebrity candidates. Assuming parties control the candidate lists put up at election time, there would be no Trumps—and no Schwarzeneggers, no Venturas, and definitely no Kardashians.

There's actually theories as to why it's so hard to have viable third parties:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

 

[Vol_Doc]

The 2-party system is slowly destroying America. We should consider changing the system to bring in new voices and new ideas. For this we need new political parties.

Here are at least four ways it would change American politics.

1. More parties. The fastest way to create not just a third party, but a fourth and fifth, is to change the states’ electoral laws and create something closer to a proportional representation system. Imagine if Texas allocated its 36 congressional seats and hundreds of state House and state Senate seats this way. You would almost certainly see the Libertarian Party suddenly and dramatically increase its share of the vote as voters realize they can actually elect libertarians. You might also see a handful of honest-to-God socialists elected from Austin.
   
2. More democracy. Such a system would be more truly democratic. Only a third of Americans identify as Republican and a third as Democrats—yet nearly 100 percent of all elected offices nationwide are held by the two parties. Enabling more parties to compete for and win seats will allow the rest of Americans to actually be represented in their government. Imagine that.
   
3. More honesty. Such a change would make our political discourse more honest. Right now apologists for the two parties stretch credulity weaving artful lies about their party’s coherence and philosophical grounding. There is no overarching philosophy for either party: they are agglomerations of interests cobbled together to form a majority coalition. By contrast, in a proportional representation system, parties can stand for actual ideas, and citizens can argue for them with a straight face and without lying.
   
4. Stronger parties, fewer celebrities. A proportional representation system would also empower parties and deemphasize celebrity candidates. Assuming parties control the candidate lists put up at election time, there would be no Trumps—and no Schwarzeneggers, no Venturas, and definitely no Kardashians.

Wish I could like this more than once. Source?

 

[Squints]

The bolded is just stupid.

How prevalent and how accepted were bi-racial couples and children 40 years ago? Black/white, Hispanic/white, Asian/white....all were rare and frowned upon by many (some combinations were viewed as much less acceptable than others) Even the partnering of different religious indoctrinations were rare and "suspect".

People with those views today are considered dinosaurs, or alt-right white nationalist extremists.

This isn’t 40 years ago, looter.

This is why you lost in 2016, and why you’ll lose in 2020 - identity politics. No wonder racism is alive in 2018, you and your party perpetuate it by labeling racial and demographic groups, then placing them in their respective bucket.

Talk about divisiveness......

 

[Vol0725]

There's actually theories as to why it's so hard to have viable third parties:

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

Interesting.

In recent years some researchers have modified Duverger's Law by suggesting that electoral systems are an effect of party systems rather than a cause.[18] It has been shown that changes from a plurality system to a proportional system are typically preceded by the emergence of more than two effective parties, and are typically not followed by a substantial increase in the effective number of parties.[19]

[18] https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.polisci.10.072805.101608

[19] https://web.archive.org/web/2006020...icalstudies.org/pdf/edsfavourites/colomer.pdf


Fundamentally altering American electoral law may sound politically infeasible, but it needn’t be. Election law and district boundaries are almost entirely governed by state law, not federal or constitutional law. The states are supposed to be the laboratories of democracy. One or two states could try switching to proportional representation for state legislative elections as a sort of trial run. Getting one or two states to try it shouldn’t be impossible, especially if a handful of interested citizens run for office on a platform of electoral reform. Any states most interested in breaking the two-party hammerlock on American government should go first.

 

[Vol0725]

Wish I could like this more than once. Source?

Good catch...forgot to post source link:

How To Burn Down The Two-Party System

 

[Vol0725]

This isn’t 40 years ago, looter.

This is why you lost in 2016, and why you’ll lose in 2020 - identity politics. No wonder racism is alive in 2018, you and your party perpetuate it by labeling racial and demographic groups, then placing them in their appropriate bucket.

Talk about divisiveness......

Yup.

*identity politics* = is a weak message that's slowly losing it's efficacy, people are smartening up and seeing through that bunk, reeks of desperation IMO

 

[luthervol]

This isn’t 40 years ago, looter.

This is why you lost in 2016, and why you’ll lose in 2020 - identity politics. No wonder racism is alive in 2018, you and your party perpetuate it by labeling racial and demographic groups, then placing them in their appropriate bucket.

Talk about divisiveness......

Your consistency in completely missing the point is staggering. Any attempted dialog with you is futile. Whenever I ask myself, "how to people get to the point of believing what they do?" I look to you for part of my answer.

 

[Squints]

Your consistency in completely missing the point is staggering. Any attempted dialog with you is futile. Whenever I ask myself, "how to people get to the point of believing what they do?" I look to you for part of my answer.

Answer my points, single-bullet Barney.

You can’t, because doing so would mean your allegiance to the party line would deviate, and we can’t do that. Can we?

I’m glad I’m in your dome so severely that all conservative thought reminds you of me. I must be doing something right.

You don’t have a point, other than the one your head comes to.

 

[Vol0725]

The bolded is just stupid.

How prevalent and how accepted were bi-racial couples and children 40 years ago? Black/white, Hispanic/white, Asian/white....all were rare and frowned upon by many (some combinations were viewed as much less acceptable than others) Even the partnering of different religious indoctrinations were rare and "suspect".

People with those views today are considered dinosaurs, or alt-right white nationalist extremists.

Valid correlation.

What's sad is you have groups like SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and others who are simply a MoveOn or Media Matters–style outfit. They're core mission now is trying to marginalize and shut up even mildly right-of-center voices by calling them instruments of hate, making increasingly strained attempts to tie conservative commentators, authors, political figures, and professors to the alt-right or neo-Nazism.

Sad part even more, is they portray themselves as a justice-minded team of Atticus Finches. In reality it’s more like a goon squad of David Brocks.

 

[volinbham]

Had the smell of LG, pretty close.

My first thought as well. Our famous prognosticator told us demographics doomed the GOP sometime back in 2009; then the 2010 midterms happened. And more gains in 2012 and 2014 ultimately switching Dem control of House and Senate (supermajority) to GOP control. A similar rout occurred across state legislatures and governorships.

Next the argument was that demographics meant the GOP would never hold the WH again. Then 2016 happened.

Of course that was the Russians so maybe it doesn't count.

 

[zaqhhh]

I will say being a college student in a very conservative area, I have seen many conservative college groups struggling for membership while left wing groups have seen significant gains.

Some of this is no doubt due to the party in power effect.

However, the groundswell of policy focused movements is pretty amazing on the left side. Libertarian/Conservative advocacy groups like Turning Point are having a more antagonistic effect that has mobilized leftist ideals even among the politically inactive.

Issues like DACA/NRA Crazies/Healthcare also really driving youth involvement.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

If you actually think about what has changed from the 60s/70s to today, it's pretty astounding.

I lived in a completely segregated neighborhood, went to a segregated school, ate at whites only restaurants, everything was closed on Sundays, the only acceptable and acknowledged lifestyle was heterosexual, and the only acceptable religion was Protestant Christian.

The idealism didn't disappear, it remained in many and was passed down to the next generation. Even todays repubs. would have looked like leftist democrats in the 60's.

And even John F. Kennedy would be thought of being on the right. What else needs to be fixed at this point? I mean, I lean right, but I don’t care about gay marriage, bathroom laws or any other dumb **** that has little to no effect on my life . It’s like people want to relive the late sixties protests just so they can have a cause, when in reality life isn’t that bad. It’s not perfect, but it ain’t that bad.

 

[Squints]

I will say being a college student in a very conservative area, I have seen many conservative college groups struggling for membership while left wing groups have seen significant gains.

Some of this is no doubt due to the party in power effect.

However, the groundswell of policy focused movements is pretty amazing on the left side. Libertarian/Conservative advocacy groups like Turning Point are having a more antagonistic effect that has mobilized leftist ideals even among the politically inactive.

Issues like DACA/NRA Crazies/Healthcare also really driving youth involvement.

Issues that none of them have ever had firsthand experience with. Imagine that.

College kids are brainwashed, in some cases, beyond repair. Academic institutions are in place to teach, not to impose right/wrong political thought and overzealous indoctrination.

 

[hog88]

I will say being a college student in a very conservative area, I have seen many conservative college groups struggling for membership while left wing groups have seen significant gains.

Some of this is no doubt due to the party in power effect.

However, the groundswell of policy focused movements is pretty amazing on the left side. Libertarian/Conservative advocacy groups like Turning Point are having a more antagonistic effect that has mobilized leftist ideals even among the politically inactive.

Issues like DACA/NRA Crazies/Healthcare also really driving youth involvement.

I'd say it has more to do with what girls are the easiest to bang.