You stated that if Butch didnt win six games the first season, he should be fired.
Not that I expect respect for the truth from you... but this is a false accusation. I said if he was the coach UT needed he should have been able to win 6 regular season games with that team. I said that less would be underperforming the talent on the roster. It was... and ultimately that proved to be a VERY consistent pattern with Jones. IOW's, he wasn't the coach UT needed... pretty much like I said.
As a total, Butch didnt fail in the immediate beginning.
Yeah. He really did. He was never a good game day coach and was never able to come close to the raw potential of any of his teams. He was what his actual record at Cincy said he was... a guy able to beat most bad teams but simply couldn't compete with good coaches.
As for USCe that year, that is an illustration of the difference between a GREAT coach and a bad one. Spurrier took a handful of star NFL caliber players, filled the gaps with role players, and won more games than the sum of his talent came close to justifying.
Not really expecting you to understand that... we have too much history for me to be that unreasonable. But those great teams at USCe was the genius of Spurrier. He should get his due.
His system was inflexible and the coaches he hired (and himself) were not good teachers.
That's part of it.
Dooley started with decent talent and ran it into the ground.
That's one of the more stupid things you've said... Dooley failed in a lot of ways. He lost the team and he gave up. He was stupid enough to hire Sunseri as the guy to move UT to a 3-4 scheme.
Worst of all he didn't put the effort into recruiting needed to win at UT.
But he inherited a roster no better and probably worse than the one Jones inherited. Jones the used car salesman briefly made it better whereas Dooley didn't.
But neither inherited a good situation.
I never have and will never believe that the ATTRITION that was your pet bisch led to his downfall.
That's OK. I'm beyond expecting you to actually argue against my points rather than straw men.
Attrition was part of the problem. Whether it was because he signed and lost good players or because he mis-evaluated that many players really doesn't matter.
He spent scholarships on a higher than average number of guys who never contributed... both those who left and those who stayed.
Scheme, teaching and development was the core of the failure and that couldnt be concluded until it revealed itself.
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Some of us saw it for 4 years while you cried about us pointing it out. He underperformed the talent in EVERY year... It didn't take some of us 5 years to see that "revelation".
Edit: And ftr, Dooley was slated to be fired as the Cowboys WRs coach. The news was leaked, then retracted and he suddenly landed the Mizzou OC gig. Reviews of his tenure here arent glowing.
Edit: And ftr, I haven't said Dooley was a "great" coach much less that he succeeded at UT or shouldn't have been fired. I've said what I've said which is that he took over a very bad situation and failed. The difficulty of the situation exposed his weaknesses and flaws.
But also ftr... someone thought he could coach and hired him. Jones is an intern. The Peter Principle probably applies to both guys. They rose to the level of their incompetence.