Z's Top 100 NBA Players of All Time

[zjcvols]

This season has to get SGA into the top 100 right? MVP, and even if he doesn't win Finals MVP, he's clearly proven himself in the playoffs so far. Maybe into the low 80s.

If he wins Finals MVP, he's shooting into the top 60 for sure. Probably around where Luka/Harden is.

 

[zjcvols]

The issue with the future of this list is going to be the 3-point boom/revolution has made numbers so much larger on a per game basis. I'm really tempted to go to 125 but that requires a significant amount of effort.

 

[apevol]

The issue with the future of this list is going to be the 3-point boom/revolution has made numbers so much larger on a per game basis. I'm really tempted to go to 125 but that requires a significant amount of effort.

updating my all time rosters has been eye opening. I've been discounting a lot of these guys cause of pace and 3 point shooting, but damned if they aren't winning me over when I actually watch. Im also trying to be more charitable to the ABA, and including guys from previous iterations of cities' teams like the Floridians for the Heat. Fixes the problem of having one true great at pg for them

I'm not a fan of the way fouls have been called this year in the playoffs but have been impressed with the play of some young stars. Almost feels like the post Lebron cast of stars is making way for the next group sooner than expected

 

[zjcvols]

updating my all time rosters has been eye opening. I've been discounting a lot of these guys cause of pace and 3 point shooting, but damned if they aren't winning me over when I actually watch. Im also trying to be more charitable to the ABA, and including guys from previous iterations of cities' teams like the Floridians for the Heat. Fixes the problem of having one true great at pg for them

I'm not a fan of the way fouls have been called this year in the playoffs but have been impressed with the play of some young stars. Almost feels like the post Lebron cast of stars is making way for the next group sooner than expected

I think the NBA has finally found the right balance between the 3-ball revolution, fouling and how to play defense. This is the best quality of play I have seen in the playoffs in a while (maybe since the bubble). Other than SGA, feels like they've let the physicality happen while also letting the pace and space determine the outcomes of games.

(Now if ESPN and TNT would actually talk about basketball instead of the other ********)

 

[n_huffhines]

This season has to get SGA into the top 100 right? MVP, and even if he doesn't win Finals MVP, he's clearly proven himself in the playoffs so far. Maybe into the low 80s.

MVP, scoring title, 68 wins, 33, 5, 6, and almost 3 stocks from a natural 2....this is MJ stuff. He averaged 1 bpg for crying out loud.

If he wins finals MVP, this will be one of the great all-time seasons for an individual. That's enough on its own to vault you well into the top 100.

 

[apevol]

I think the NBA has finally found the right balance between the 3-ball revolution, fouling and how to play defense. This is the best quality of play I have seen in the playoffs in a while (maybe since the bubble). Other than SGA, feels like they've let the physicality happen while also letting the pace and space determine the outcomes of games.

(Now if ESPN and TNT would actually talk about basketball instead of the other ********)

I'm a pacers fan and think the knicks have been called for some weak fouls while they're letting the pacers play rough

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say Shai is well on his way to being the 2nd best SG of all time. I doubt most people will ever put him above Kobe, but Shai at ages 24 to 26, he is so much better than Kobe was at those ages. When Kobe was 26, he was coming off a horrible finals and it was his first year as the man. The Lakers won 34 games that year and Kobe shot 43% from the field.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

The issue with the future of this list is going to be the 3-point boom/revolution has made numbers so much larger on a per game basis. I'm really tempted to go to 125 but that requires a significant amount of effort.

A three is a longer shot and harder to make consistently than a middy is.. some credit should be given to that as well. Nevertheless, it's hard to compare across era's..

 

[n_huffhines]

The issue with the future of this list is going to be the 3-point boom/revolution has made numbers so much larger on a per game basis. I'm really tempted to go to 125 but that requires a significant amount of effort.

It has both positive and negative impacts on numbers, though. For example, it's tough to get much more than 10 apg compared to the past. 3's are a lower % shot for scoring the assist (and you don't get 1.5 assists for a 3). Many times these 3's come off an extra swing pass. so often the guy who set it up is not getting any credit at all. Compare that with Stockton to Malone PnR spammed all night, he's getting 14 apg because it's nothing but layups and 12-footers.

 

[n_huffhines]

LMAO, Andre Miller in the slow early 00's makes this list. It is crazy to me that Chris Paul is not on this list after 2010....the game freaking sped up and he hit his prime, and his APG numbers fell:



*this is just a list of league leaders

 

[apevol]

Was Pete Maravich actually good in the NBA or was he all sizzle? He didn't shoot a high % and didn't get as many assists as you would think, and his teams were always dog ****. He averaged 5 topg the first year they started tracking that. Before my time, though.

Ive thought about this a lot

Pete started out as a headcase and Atlanta traded him for getting drunk at halftine

Atlanta was worse without him than with him

Hudson had his best years with Pete and Bellamy was almost out of the league before playing with Pete

His start with the Jazz began with his mother commiting suicide and he somehow recovered enough to make first team nba despite nearly everyone viewing him as an empty stats loser, all while being an absolute lunatic who never slept and believing aliens would someday abduct him

During that time the Jazz paired him with a washed up no defensee playing Goodrich and they were too cheap to pay moses half of what kareem was making

dude never had a chance to succeed in the NBA.
His teams were never good, but without him those same teams were absolute historic level trash and the league wasnt ready for a skinny guard jacking up 30 footers in transition

 

[n_huffhines]

Ive thought about this a lot

Pete started out as a headcase and Atlanta traded him for getting drunk at halftine

Atlanta was worse without him than with him

Hudson had his best years with Pete and Bellamy was almost out of the league before playing with Pete

His start with the Jazz began with his mother commiting suicide and he somehow recovered enough to make first team nba despite nearly everyone viewing him as an empty stats loser, all while being an absolute lunatic who never slept and believing aliens would someday abduct him

During that time the Jazz paired him with a washed up no defensee playing Goodrich and they were too cheap to pay moses half of what kareem was making

dude never had a chance to succeed in the NBA.
His teams were never good, but without him those same teams were absolute historic level trash and the league wasnt ready for a skinny guard jacking up 30 footers in transition

You make some good points. But I'm not talking about wins and I don't blame him for losing. I'm just talking about putting up decent numbers. All-time greats still put up great numbers on bad teams. It's not a problem for them. The scoring totals were great. The shooting efficiency was league average, which is fine considering the circumstances. But the ball-bandling/passing numbers seem really bad. When he was 30 it was the first year they tracked turnovers, and he had 6.7 apg and 5 topg. That's a horror show. That's not on your team. That's on you.

 

[apevol]

You make some good points. But I'm not talking about wins and I don't blame him for losing. I'm just talking about putting up decent numbers. All-time greats still put up great numbers on bad teams. It's not a problem for them. The scoring totals were great. The shooting efficiency was league average, which is fine considering the circumstances. But the ball-bandling/passing numbers seem really bad. When he was 30 it was the first year they tracked turnovers, and he had 6.7 apg and 5 topg. That's a horror show. That's not on your team. That's on you.

yeah, i view him as an all time great talent who did not come to games mentally ready to playat an all time great level. his teammates described him as "insane" not just troublesome, but actually insane.

I don't think there was really a solution for him though. Without Press, he's way saner and probably lives 20 years longer. But without Press, hes also probably a happy but marginally successful minor league baseball player who gets called up to the majors for a year or two

 

[n_huffhines]

yeah, i view him as an all time great talent who did not come to games mentally ready to playat an all time great level. his teammates described him as "insane" not just troublesome, but actually insane.

I don't think there was really a solution for him though. Without Press, he's way saner and probably lives 20 years longer. But without Press, hes also probably a happy but marginally successful minor league baseball player who gets called up to the majors for a year or two

I would love to get to the bottom of it. The legend is crazy but so was the talent. Bill Walton claims somebody took a shot chart of him one year and claimed he made what would have been eleven 3's per game. Ain't no fkn way.

 

[apevol]

I would love to get to the bottom of it. The legend is crazy but so was the talent. Bill Walton claims somebody took a shot chart of him one year and claimed he made what would have been eleven 3's per game. Ain't no fkn way.

6 or 7 max is my guess

still would've been nuts

but all the speculation ignores, there wasn't a mind in the league that was ready to take advantage him taking shots like that and the spacing itd provide

his range was phenomenal for the time but at the end of the day its a low iq shot without the line

Even after they adopted the 3, guys would get **** for shooting more than 3 or 4 a game (from teammates, not just coaches), and he was taking absolutely crazy shots with no benefit

 

[apevol]

this is the **** that keeps me awake lol

 

[zjcvols]

The reason for the delay is because I'm expanding it to 125. God pray for me. I will listen to your nominees here.

 

[apevol]

You make some good points. But I'm not talking about wins and I don't blame him for losing. I'm just talking about putting up decent numbers. All-time greats still put up great numbers on bad teams. It's not a problem for them. The scoring totals were great. The shooting efficiency was league average, which is fine considering the circumstances. But the ball-bandling/passing numbers seem really bad. When he was 30 it was the first year they tracked turnovers, and he had 6.7 apg and 5 topg. That's a horror show. That's not on your team. That's on you.

Now im wondering if his turnovers were mostly white chocolate style brain farts, throwing behind the back over his earlobe out his ass passes into the third row or if refs were calling him on legal dribbles because they couldn't reconcile his handle with their eyespeed