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Justice Department faces evidence hurdles in proving Zimmerman bias after verdict | Fox News

"The Justice Department was running into immediate hurdles Monday in its investigation of possible civil rights violations by George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin -- namely, that after examining the case for more than a year, the evidence has not changed.

Though the department announced after Zimmerman's acquittal that it would consider a possible federal case, previously filed FBI documents show agents have not turned up any accounts that Zimmerman, before the February 2012 shooting, exhibited racial bias. Sanford police detective Chris Serino also told FBI agents last year that he considered Zimmerman as having "a little hero complex, but not as a racist."
 
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Vols520 said:
Agreed.
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The self-defense debate revolves around what the bullet may have stopped from happening, not necessarily what had occurred at the point things stopped. The obvious problem is that the victim has no way of knowing if what is happening is going to stop at X amount of damage or progress all the way up to death. You aren't asking someone in that position to just assume if they don't do anything it'll all turn out OK, are you?
 
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hndog609 said:
The self-defense debate revolves around what the bullet may have stopped from happening, not necessarily what had occurred at the point things stopped. The obvious problem is that the victim has no way of knowing if what is happening is going to stop at X amount of damage or progress all the way up to death. You aren't asking someone in that position to just assume if they don't do anything it'll all turn out OK, are you?
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He is.
 
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hndog609 said:
The self-defense debate revolves around what the bullet may have stopped from happening, not necessarily what had occurred at the point things stopped. The obvious problem is that the victim has no way of knowing if what is happening is going to stop at X amount of damage or progress all the way up to death. You aren't asking someone in that position to just assume if they don't do anything it'll all turn out OK, are you?
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You aren't asking me to just trust everybody who claims self defense are you?
 
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hndog609 said:
The self-defense debate revolves around what the bullet may have stopped from happening, not necessarily what had occurred at the point things stopped. The obvious problem is that the victim has no way of knowing if what is happening is going to stop at X amount of damage or progress all the way up to death. You aren't asking someone in that position to just assume if they don't do anything it'll all turn out OK, are you?
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Not really sure how you drew this conclusion.

But the answer is no.
 
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Why we allow the media to whip people into a frenzy over this is beyond me.

It was a tragic case of wrong place and wrong time for everybody involved. Zimmerman should have kept his ass in the truck and Trayvon should have just kept on walking. I can't pretend that it is anything more or less.
 
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Maybe because I'm older and my bar fighting days are in my past, but I'm pretty confident that I would be scared that I was about to suffer some serious injuries if someone was on top of me punching me in the head. I also can guarantee you that if the person on top continued hitting me after almost a full minute of me repeatedly screaming for help that I would be scared for my life. In fact, I wouldn't have been able to show the restraint Zimmerman did when he only fired a single shot.

I guess I'm just not a Billy Bad A anymore since I would have feared for my life.
 
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Zimmerman showed great restraint. After being sucker punched that hard in the nose, a lot of people would have at least unholstered their weapon on the spot. But Zimmerman didn't. He took a bad beating with his head slammed onto concrete numerous times, without unhostering his gun. Only after he exposed the gun by rolling away from the concrete with Martin on top of him, that is only after Martin saw the gun and grabbed for it, did Zimmerman draw and shoot. When Zimmerman finally did draw his gun, I think that he had no other choice at that point. He had to either use the weapon on Martin or allow Martin to use it on him. He killed Martin in self defense.
 
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Vol Main said:
Zimmerman showed great restraint. After being sucker punched that hard in the nose, a lot of people would have at least unholstered their weapon on the spot. But Zimmerman didn't. He took a bad beating with his head slammed onto concrete numerous times, without unhostering his gun. Only after he exposed the gun by rolling away from the concrete with Martin on top of him, that is only after Martin saw the gun and grabbed for it, did Zimmerman draw and shoot. I think that the man had no other choice except to die. He killed Martin in self defense.
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wtf?
 
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Looks like George Zimmerman's web site is blocked. Here is the message I got:
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You don't have permission to access /index.php/18-therealgeorgezimmerman-com on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache Server at therealgeorgezimmerman.com Port 80"

The Real George Zimmerman
 
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Interesting piece on the effect "Stand your ground" could have on civil suits.

Zimmerman’s lawyer chose instead to go to trial, once again declining to specifically raise “Stand Your Ground” as a defense and keeping the law out of the trial. But the principle’s irrelevance ended the moment the jury received their instructions for deciding the case. As Ta-Nehisi Coates reveals, the written instructions that sat with the jurors as they deliberated made very clear that under Florida law, a shooter has a right to stand his ground:

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Since Zimmerman’s lawyers opted not to invoke Stand Your Ground as a defense, observers have characterized this case as a regular old “self-defense” case, rather than a “Stand Your Ground” case. But what these jury instructions make clear is that, in Florida, there is no longer an effective distinction. Stand Your Ground is the state’s self-defense law, whether or not a defendant opts to hold a hearing specifically on the question. In fact, this section on the “Justifiable Use of Deadly Force” is the only place in all 27 pages of jury instructions in which the phrase “self-defense” is used.
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Why Stand Your Ground Is Central To George Zimmerman
 
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Lexvol said:
It was a tragic case of wrong place and wrong time for everybody involved. Zimmerman should have kept his ass in the truck...
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Yep, no reason to confront suspicious behavior in public. Afteralll, we have publicly employed agents for that job and we should always just wait for them. That strategy was good enough for the individuals in the planes on 9/11 and it should have been good enough for Zimmerman. Who did he think he was acting like a ****ing man and investigating suspicious **** in public?

Hell, maybe next time a situation like this happens, the person reporting will just stay in the car and the suspicious individual can just break into a house and maybe rape and kill others while the "police are on their way..." Which, by the way, I've heard over the phone before when I reported gun shots on my street in Boston. The police did not show up for another two hours. Luckily, they were just errant shots and nobody was ever injured (or, at least, reported injured).
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys keep referring to MSNBC as having played the edited tape, but I am pretty sure it was NBC that did it. I'm still not entirely sure of their corporate relationship.
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The entire media used the photo of cute little cuddly 12 year old Trayvon whenever they had a chance......leading some to believe a little boy with Skittles got popped
 
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therealUT said:
Yep, no reason to confront suspicious behavior in public. Afteralll, we have publicly employed agents for that job and we should always just wait for them. That strategy was good enough for the individuals in the planes on 9/11 and it should have been good enough for Zimmerman. Who did he think he was acting like a ****ing man and investigating suspicious **** in public?

Hell, maybe next time a situation like this happens, the person reporting will just stay in the car and the suspicious individual can just break into a house and maybe rape and kill others while the "police are on their way..." Which, by the way, I've heard over the phone before when I reported gun shots on my street in Boston. The police did not show up for another two hours. Luckily, they were just errant shots and nobody was ever injured (or, at least, reported injured).
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Exactly....everyone seems to forget that the neighborhood had been having problems with break ins and attempted break ins before this happened.
 
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All Trayvon Martin had to do with the Neighborhood Watch was walk up and say, "Hello; how are you? You the Neighborhood Watch or do you have problems with your truck? I'm Trayvon Martin, staying here a few weeks with my Dad." He might have also said something like, "Thanks for watching out for everybody and keeping us safe."

How hard was that? It's how civilized people talk and act.
 
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