Zimmerman Trial

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lawgator1 said:
The media talk about all of those issues, real or imagined.
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really? For example, in the past week have they discussed the legality of us giving money to a country in the midst of a coup? That is in direct violation of US law

there is more evidence in every item I mentioned than there was against Zimmerman yet which one got the wall-to-wall coverage? This trial was manufactured as a diversion and for division
 
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utvolpj said:
really? For example, in the past week have they discussed the legality of us giving money to a country in the midst of a coup? That is in direct violation of US law

there is more evidence in every item I mentioned than there was against Zimmerman yet which one got the wall-to-wall coverage? This trial was manufactured as a diversion and for division
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A truer statement could not be said!
 
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lawgator1 said:
The media talk about all of those issues, real or imagined.
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I probably turned on the news 6 random times last week. Saw nothing but Zimmerman coverage and lawyer blowhards on TV debating every single detail of the days events in court.
 
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rjd970 said:
I probably turned on the news 6 random times last week. Saw nothing but Zimmerman coverage and lawyer blowhards on TV debating every single detail of the days events in court.
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The Z trial dominated, yes, but I saw a lot of coverage of Snowden.

This will die down, too, in time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Z trial dominated, yes, but I saw a lot of coverage of Snowden.

This will die down, too, in time.
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Yes, because the faux outrage from celebrities, athletes, etc. will die down soon enough, when they move onto their next cause of the month, and finally confirm they never really cared about TM or his death in the first place.
 
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My alarm clock is set to the Steve Harvey show (hey it wakes me up so back off).

Needless to say, he did not agree with the verdict. The part I heard between hitting the snooze alarm was about how all the cops in the trial lied to help the defense because GZ's daddy must be some powerful man that made a call to the DA and police...
 
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GZ profiled TM, no doubt. But GZ says TM then turned on him and was beating him up.

Why can't both be true?

I have no problem with black activists protesting that GZ profiled TM, at least in substantial part. And I have no problem with a jury concluding that the situation changed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GZ profiled TM, no doubt. But GZ says TM then turned on him and was beating him up.

Why can't both be true?

I have no problem with black activists protesting that GZ profiled TM, at least in substantial part. And I have no problem with a jury concluding that the situation changed.
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GZ Profiled TM, sure I believe that.

Profiled him simply because he was black and only because he was black as they want you to believe, no I do not believe that is the sole and only reason.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GZ profiled TM, no doubt. But GZ says TM then turned on him and was beating him up.

Why can't both be true?

I have no problem with black activists protesting that GZ profiled TM, at least in substantial part. And I have no problem with a jury concluding that the situation changed.
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I think we have to also add that TM profiled GZ and that certainly could have contributed to the altercation.

As has been said 100 times already - both made assumptions and bad decisions. One paid with his life; the other will live with the consequences - no winners here.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
GZ Profiled TM, sure I believe that.

Profiled him simply because he was black and only because he was black as they want you to believe, no I do not believe that is the sole and only reason.
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I agree.

It was just part of the mix. And I don't think you can even quantify it.

But it was part of it and so I get where the protestors are coming from and I understand the bigger picture concerns being expressed, which is that young black males have to be self-conscious of how people are reacting to them, even members of their own race.

We can debate the causes of that and never reach a conclusion. But it is reality that it goes on all the time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree.

It was just part of the mix. And I don't think you can even quantify it.

But it was part of it and so I get where the protestors are coming from and I understand the bigger picture concerns being expressed, which is that young black males have to be self-conscious of how people are reacting to them, even members of their own race.

We can debate the causes of that and never reach a conclusion. But it is reality that it goes on all the time.
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Everybody profiles and judges people, whoever say they don't are hypocrites. It's a protective instinct.
 
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Zimmerman reported suspicious behavior, and when you look at what he said, the behavior he described was suspicious. Why is reporting suspicious behavior called profiling?
 
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Vol Main said:
Zimmerman reported suspicious behavior, and when you look at what he said, the behavior he described was suspicious. Why is reporting suspicious behavior called profiling?
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Speculation on my part but if the kid was white, wearing Dockers and a polo shirt he may not have seemed as suspicious.
 
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Vol Main said:
Zimmerman reported suspicious behavior, and when you look at what he said, the behavior he described was suspicious. Why is reporting suspicious behavior called profiling?
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I think that his other comments in that process are pretty good evidence that TM's race was one of any number of factors that caused GZ to be suspicious of him.

Which is worth noting and deserves to be talked about in the big picture scheme of things.

But which does not mean that things did not then occur the way that GZ described. And that was ultimately the problem for the prosecution.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GZ profiled TM, no doubt. But GZ says TM then turned on him and was beating him up.

Why can't both be true?

I have no problem with black activists protesting that GZ profiled TM, at least in substantial part. And I have no problem with a jury concluding that the situation changed.
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What's wrong with profiling? That's called good police work.
 
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I think that his other comments in that process are pretty good evidence that TM's race was one of any number of factors that caused GZ to be suspicious of him.

Which is worth noting and deserves to be talked about in the big picture scheme of things.

But which does not mean that things did not then occur the way that GZ described. And that was ultimately the problem for the prosecution.
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In the 911 call did Zim describe him as a black male?

I don't know.
 
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Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a
real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can
give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or
he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking
about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or
sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring…
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…

Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses.
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Actually seemed, at least at first, a bit uncertain on race. He saw plenty of other things that made him suspicious. (make of that what you will)

Suspicious people are suspicious...from what I know (which is just as limited as everyone else) the fact that TM was black looks wildly overplayed IMHO.
 
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Ham, I think Martin was wearing Dockers. I also think that any one of us behaving as Martin was reportedly behaving would have been reported to the police.
 
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