Zimmerman Trial

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lawgator1 said:
Well, I don't do criminal law but that seems odd to me, perhaps there is some quirk to that.

But at any rate its a max range and I haven't heard anything about a criminal record for him so he's going to score low if convicted on whatever the guidelines are.
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Just relaying the information I read. :hi:
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
What???

By saying "irrelevant," I was saying that it's "irrelevant" if you or anyone else doesn't think he needed to get out of his car or not. You're opinion on that matter is, guess what, irrelevant.
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Okay then.

By the definition of "unnecessary," it was "unnecessary" for Zimmerman to exit his vehicle. Can't really argue that one unless you have some compelling proof as to why he should have left the vehicle that night, in which case you probably shouldn't have sat on that information.
 
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notabed22 said:
Okay then.

By the definition of "unnecessary," it was "unnecessary" for Zimmerman to exit his vehicle. Can't really argue that one unless you have some compelling proof as to why he should have left the vehicle that night, in which case you probably shouldn't have sat on that information.
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No. You are not the moral authority on what is necessary and what is not. It's cute that you think you are but...

guess what, it's only you're opinion.

Which is, guess what...

Irrelevant.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
No. You are not the moral authority on what is necessary and what is not. It's cute that you think you are but...

guess what, it's only you're opinion.

Which is, guess what...

Irrelevant.
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I'm not the moral authority at all, NATI. I'm simply going by the textbook definition of the word.

Just copy PKT's post and call it a day. My remark was ultimately irrelevant, but not in the way you think it is.
 
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He shot an unarmed teenage boy in the heart and killed him. Self defense or not that guy deserves time in prison. #ZimmermanTrial
 
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notabed22 said:
Okay then.

By the definition of "unnecessary," it was "unnecessary" for Zimmerman to exit his vehicle. Can't really argue that one unless you have some compelling proof as to why he should have left the vehicle that night, in which case you probably shouldn't have sat on that information.
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IIRC he had already lost sight of TM and was looking for a confirmed address closest to his location to give the police. I don't have the video in front of me but I'm pretty sure that's how it was laid out to the police on the walk through re-enactment. Regardless of how you feel about this or even believe it's true doesn't matter but it does supply a viable reason for his leaving his vehicle.

In any event trying to make a big deal of his leaving the vehicle (particularly when one notes he was never instructed by anyone not to do so) is seriously weak sauce. AT MOST one could argue it might not be prudent, given that someone you considered suspicious might still be in the area, but trying to make it into much else doesn't serve you well.
 
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hndog609 said:
IIRC he had already lost sight of TM and was looking for a confirmed address closest to his location to give the police. I don't have the video in front of me but I'm pretty sure that's how it was laid out to the police on the walk through re-enactment. Regardless of how you feel about this or even believe it's true doesn't matter but it does supply a viable reason for his leaving his vehicle.

In any event trying to make a big deal of his leaving the vehicle (particularly when one notes he was never instructed by anyone not to do so) is seriously weak sauce. AT MOST one could argue it might not be prudent, given that someone you considered suspicious might still be in the area, but trying to make it into much else doesn't serve you well.
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hndog609 said:
IIRC he had already lost sight of TM and was looking for a confirmed address closest to his location to give the police. I don't have the video in front of me but I'm pretty sure that's how it was laid out to the police on the walk through re-enactment. Regardless of how you feel about this or even believe it's true doesn't matter but it does supply a viable reason for his leaving his vehicle.

In any event trying to make a big deal of his leaving the vehicle (particularly when one notes he was never instructed by anyone not to do so) is seriously weak sauce. AT MOST one could argue it might not be prudent, given that someone you considered suspicious might still be in the area, but trying to make it into much else doesn't serve you well.
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Zimmerman, in the phone call with the dispatcher, agreed to meet with the police at the mailboxes at the suggestion of the police. He doesn't know the address at which he is parked, but does not appear to make an effort to find it ("hold on, let me check") and refuses to give out his apartment number, thus the meeting at the mailboxes. Zimmerman did not need to leave the vehicle to find the address, and that was certainly not the impression I received with the phone call.

And, yea, it's just a sort of irrelevant statement. He certainly didn't need to leave the vehicle to place himself into what he felt was enough of a dangerous situation that he called a dispatcher but, aside from that, pretty irrelevant.
 
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notabed22 said:
I'm not the moral authority at all, NATI. I'm simply going by the textbook definition of the word.

Just copy PKT's post and call it a day. My remark was ultimately irrelevant, but not in the way you think it is.
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There's a textbook definition that clearly defines that it was "unnecessary" for Zimmerman to get out of his car in this specific situation?

Really?

Link?
 
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I'll just remind everyone that they are watching it on tv, and they are watching commentary about what they are watching on tv, and they are not seeing all of it.

Plus you never know what the 6 people actually charged with the task of deciding this will focus on. I've been surprised by juries more than once. You just never know what has caught their eye.

In fact, whenever I hear Nancy Grace or some similar tv personality lead off a question with "What do you think the jury will make of ....?" i immediately change the channel.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'll just remind everyone that they are watching it on tv, and they are watching commentary about what they are watching on tv, and they are not seeing all of it.
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I could have watched every single second of this trial if I wished;

Zimmerman Trial | Live Coverage

I love how you act all smart by saying, "I'd just like to remind everybody."

You the man LG.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'll just remind everyone that they are watching it on tv, and they are watching commentary about what they are watching on tv, and they are not seeing all of it.

Plus you never know what the 6 people actually charged with the task of deciding this will focus on. I've been surprised by juries more than once. You just never know what has caught their eye.

In fact, whenever I hear Nancy Grace or some similar tv personality lead off a question with "What do you think the jury will make of ....?" i immediately change the channel.
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Oh yeah. I've stated from the beginning that I won't be surprised either way. You just don't know what a jury will decide.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Plus you never know what the 6 people actually charged with the task of deciding this will focus on. I've been surprised by juries more than once. You just never know what has caught their eye.
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Has anyone claimed they know exactly how the jury is going to rule? Anyone?

Bueller?
 
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notabed22 said:
Zimmerman, in the phone call with the dispatcher, agreed to meet with the police at the mailboxes at the suggestion of the police. He doesn't know the address at which he is parked, but does not appear to make an effort to find it ("hold on, let me check") and refuses to give out his apartment number, thus the meeting at the mailboxes. Zimmerman did not need to leave the vehicle to find the address, and that was certainly not the impression I received with the phone call.
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While it is certainly "his" story it might be worth you watching the re-enactment I mentioned. Not terribly important that you do but you might find it more informative than just the raw 911 call.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'll just remind everyone that they are watching it on tv, and they are watching commentary about what they are watching on tv, and they are not seeing all of it.

Plus you never know what the 6 people actually charged with the task of deciding this will focus on. I've been surprised by juries more than once. You just never know what has caught their eye.

In fact, whenever I hear Nancy Grace or some similar tv personality lead off a question with "What do you think the jury will make of ....?" i immediately change the channel.
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You are piss poor

Do you not have confidence in yourself?
 
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Sounds like the prosecution is the one trying to create doubt on the other side instead of proving any of their changing theories. So now we have two defenses going against each other.
 
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