Zimmerman Trial

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govols/cc said:
You're in the same category as Keith. Both morons. I went for retard but went with a lesser fact easier to prove.
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I know, I know. The outcome of which you and so many others were so incorrectly certain of at the beginning of this trial seems in jeopardy. I understand your anger. It's going to be one hell of a Klansman meeting this weekend in the Upstate.
 
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notabed22 said:
I know, I know. The outcome of which you and so many others were so incorrectly certain of at the beginning of this trial seems in jeopardy. I understand your anger. It's going to be one hell of a Klansman meeting this weekend in the Upstate.
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Racism... The battle cry of the clueless.
 
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notabed22 said:
I know, I know. The outcome of which you and so many others were so incorrectly certain of at the beginning of this trial seems in jeopardy. I understand your anger. It's going to be one hell of a Klansman meeting this weekend in the Upstate.
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There you have it people. They are black and think he's guilty no matter what. That's why kieth and notabed are so biased
 
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notabed22 said:
Fantastic. You should by no means be free to "defend" yourself in the way that George Zimmerman did.



Because that's a remotely sensible question to ask. Martin absolutely would be tried as an adult if he were to have killed Zimmerman while playing neighborhood watch. As a victim, he's a minor because he's under the age of 18. This shouldn't be too hard to grasp.
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Are you ok with other charges being included even though they were not tried?

As to your second point, he is either a child or an adult. He can't be both.
 
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notabed22 said:
I know, I know. The outcome of which you and so many others were so incorrectly certain of at the beginning of this trial seems in jeopardy. I understand your anger. It's going to be one hell of a Klansman meeting this weekend in the Upstate.
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You insinuate those who support the facts are klansman, yet this whole trial was forced upon the state by racial prejudice. Hmm.....
 
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notabed22 said:
Fantastic. You should by no means be free to "defend" yourself in the way that George Zimmerman did.
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Where you there? Who the hell are you to decide that?

Zimmerman said repeatedly in his story to the police that Martin saw and reached for his gun and said "you're going to die tonight." Are you saying he is lying? Do you have any proof?

Try not to be such an arrogant hack.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Are you ok with other charges being included even though they were not tried?
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I don't necessarily think it's fair, but I'd have to give that some more thought because I find the shrapnel approach to charges to be rather intriguing. It, in the very least, looks to behoove my desired result in this particular situation.

As to your second point, he is either a child or an adult. He can't be both.
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He's a child in this situation because he was the victim; if he were the perpetrator and had killed Zimmerman, he'd probably have been tried as an adult. This is pretty basic.

VOLinthaNATI said:
Where you there? Who the hell are you to decide that?

Zimmerman said repeatedly in his story to the police that Martin saw and reached for his gun and said "you're going to die tonight." Are you saying he is lying? Do you have any proof?

Try not to be such an arrogant hack.
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Zimmerman has no proof of that, but I do have proof that George Zimmerman got out of his vehicle unnecessarily and against the wishes of those who he had contacted for assistance and killed Martin in a "struggle" of questionable nature.
 
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notabed22 said:
Zimmerman has no proof of that, but I do have proof that George Zimmerman got out of his vehicle unnecessarily and against the wishes of those who he had contacted for assistance and killed Martin in a "struggle" of questionable nature.
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really?
 
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notabed22 said:
I don't necessarily think it's fair, but I'd have to give that some more thought because I find the shrapnel approach to charges to be rather intriguing. It, in the very least, looks to behoove my desired result in this particular situation.



He's a child in this situation because he was the victim; if he were the perpetrator and had killed Zimmerman, he'd probably have been tried as an adult. This is pretty basic.



Zimmerman has no proof of that, but I do have proof that George Zimmerman got out of his vehicle unnecessarily and against the wishes of those who he had contacted for assistance and killed Martin in a "struggle" of questionable nature.
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he didn't get out of his vehicle against anyone's wishes..
He was out of his vehicle and when the dispatcher said we don't need you to follow him, GZ said OK...
Then went to look for an address, whne the dispatcher asked one, and was on his way back to his truck, when TM confronted him
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Are you ok with other charges being included even though they were not tried?
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You need to distinguish between what was tried versus what was charged. If the law and the facts could reasonably support a lesser included, it will typically be given. The fact that they did not charge it is not really relevant since it wouldn't have changed the course of the trial.

Its not like, if manslaughter were on the indictment that the self-defense theory or the facts change. It might not seem fair, but its not like the defense attorneys would not have seen this coming and accounted for it in their approach.

Bottom line is it does not change the facts.
 
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notabed22 said:
I don't necessarily think it's fair, but I'd have to give that some more thought because I find the shrapnel approach to charges to be rather intriguing. It, in the very least, looks to behoove my desired result in this particular situation.
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So you think it is unfair but you are fine with it because you don't like what happened?

notabed22 said:
He's a child in this situation because he was the victim; if he were the perpetrator and had killed Zimmerman, he'd probably have been tried as an adult. This is pretty basic.
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Again, he is either a child or an adult; not both. This inconstant **** is BS.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You need to distinguish between what was tried versus what was charged. If the law and the facts could reasonably support a lesser included, it will typically be given. The fact that they did not charge it is not really relevant since it wouldn't have changed the course of the trial.

Its not like, if manslaughter were on the indictment that the self-defense theory or the facts change. It might not seem fair, but its not like the defense attorneys would not have seen this coming and accounted for it in their approach.

Bottom line is it does not change the facts.
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The state presented and tried a case, a story of events about how a overzealous wanna be cop shot and killed a man because he wanted to (not due to self-defence) due to hate/racial reasons, which is second degree murder; not manslaughter. That is their version of what happened via "the facts". To convict (the state to charge) on manslaughter, is to go against what the prosecution presented/tried.

That is BS.
 
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