Zimmerman Trial

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#476
Vol Main said:
At that point, there was going to be a struggle over the gun, and one of them was going to pull the trigger. There is no doubt in my mind that Martin created that situation by unlawfully punching Zimmerman, getting on top of him, punching him again and again. That is the eye witness testimony and physical evidence. If Zimmerman did not have the right of self defense in those circumstances, then who in this world ever has the right of self defense?
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Wrong. I've seen pictures of Trayvon. There is no way that little 12-year old could possibly have punched anybody.
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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I would agree but what has this got to do with the Zimmerman case? What you describe bears practically no resemblance to thread topic.
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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What trial have you been following ? That's not what happened ...Trayvon became the aggressor and paid the ultimate price .
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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you're like a dumb version of my 4th grade son. Every time he gets overly authoritative about his assertion, I can be absolutely sure that it's made up. In fact, with each of you, the less you know the more sure you become of your ideas.

I understand it in him since he's 9. You, OTOH...
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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You have to be purposefully ignoring facts to come to this conclusion.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you're like a dumb version of my 4th grade son. Every time he gets overly authoritative about his assertion, I can be absolutely sure that it's made up. In fact, with each of you, the less you know the more sure you become of your ideas.

I understand it in him since he's 9. You, OTOH...
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Wait, so you mean that the backwoods public school system teaching him coupled with his economic genius of a father hasn't made your son a miniature savant?

Color me ****ing surprised.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
frankly, anyone claiming "facts" in this case is probably off base.
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There are some facts. The location, the physical harm to both parties, and the timing related to the call log. None of those factual pieces of evidence support the story of a man chasing down a boy to shoot him. Notabed has no base to make that argument.
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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Yeah, except that isn't what happened.
 
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notabed22 said:
Wait, so you mean that the backwoods public school system teaching him coupled with his economic genius of a father hasn't made your son a miniature savant?

Color me ****ing surprised.
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Color me surprised that you couldn't come up with any logic based arguments to defend your stance.
 
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#489
notabed22 said:
Wait, so you mean that the backwoods public school system teaching him coupled with his economic genius of a father hasn't made your son a miniature savant?

Color me ****ing surprised.
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If you attended a superior school system, then why do you think like a man with no education?
 
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notabed22 said:
Weird, since that's exactly what Zimmerman did.
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Either you don't know what evidence there is that suggests otherwise or you don't care. Either way it makes you look pretty stupid.

There's a reason the prosecution is having a very rough go of it in this trial.
 
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#493
Part of the reason I love VolNation is that there's no shortage of inbred yokels with whom I can discuss their ass-backwards view of politics.

The definition of "chase," directly from Merriam-Webster:

"transitive verb
1
a : to follow rapidly : pursue
b : hunt
c : to follow regularly or persistently with the intention of attracting or alluring
2
obsolete : harass
3
: to seek out —often used with down <detectives chasing down clues>
4
: to cause to depart or flee : drive <chase the dog out of the garden>
5
: to cause the removal of (a baseball pitcher) by a batting rally
6
: to swing at (a baseball pitched out of the strike zone)
intransitive verb
1
: to chase an animal, person, or thing <chase after material possessions>
2
: rush, hasten <chased all over town looking for a place to stay>"
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So, yes, Zimmerman chased him.

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Did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon Martin?

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm, sure seems like it!

Did Trayvon Martin die?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/jurors-hear-zimmermans-taped-police-interview.html?_r=0

Maybe I'm misunderstanding of the word "fatal" here.
 
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If neither the law nor the facts support a conviction, then the prosecutors will be left to attack the person, George Zimmerman. That will not work for them either, because Zimmerman can bring some very impressive witnesses to testify about his character.
 
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notabed22 said:
Part of the reason I love VolNation is that there's no shortage of inbred yokels with whom I can discuss their ass-backwards view of politics.
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the insults do showcase your superior intellect but if you continue down this path all that will be left are us inbred yokels discussing politics without you
 
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notabed22 said:
The definition of "chase," directly from Merriam-Webster:



So, yes, Zimmerman chased him.

Next.

Did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon Martin?

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm, sure seems like it!

Did Trayvon Martin die?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/jurors-hear-zimmermans-taped-police-interview.html?_r=0

Maybe I'm misunderstanding of the word "fatal" here.
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So it matters not that, between the "chasing" and the "shooting", Martin instigated a confrontation and physically assaulted Zimmerman?
 
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notabed22 said:
Part of the reason I love VolNation is that there's no shortage of inbred yokels with whom I can discuss their ass-backwards view of politics.

The definition of "chase," directly from Merriam-Webster:



So, yes, Zimmerman chased him.

Next.

Did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon Martin?

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm, sure seems like it!

Did Trayvon Martin die?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/us/jurors-hear-zimmermans-taped-police-interview.html?_r=0

Maybe I'm misunderstanding of the word "fatal" here.
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So if you were on this jury (assuming you've watched the trial) you would convict of 2nd degree murder?
 
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#499
the ultimate questions are:

1. was Zimmerman in sufficient danger to use leathal force
2. did Zimmerman start the aggression

2nd degree murder has a very high bar; manslaughter on the other hand could be established with a "no" answer to #1 and/or a "yes" answer to #2. Apparently he could get up to 30 years for manslaughter (since victim was under 18)
 
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notabed22 said:
Part of the reason I love VolNation is that there's no shortage of inbred yokels with whom I can discuss their ass-backwards view of politics.

The definition of "chase," directly from Merriam-Webster:

"transitive verb
1
a : to follow rapidly : pursue
b : hunt
c : to follow regularly or persistently with the intention of attracting or alluring
2
obsolete : harass
3
: to seek out —often used with down <detectives chasing down clues>
4
: to cause to depart or flee : drive <chase the dog out of the garden>
5
: to cause the removal of (a baseball pitcher) by a batting rally
6
: to swing at (a baseball pitched out of the strike zone)
intransitive verb
1
: to chase an animal, person, or thing <chase after material possessions>
2
: rush, hasten <chased all over town looking for a place to stay>"
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So, yes, Zimmerman chased him.
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Just for the record, which of the definitions above do you think apply to GZ chasing TM?
 
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