Zakai Zeigler suing for 5th year

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TheMookieMonster said:
I don’t care what your feelings are as fan, if you’re going to pretend to be a professional journalist as a career, articles and headlines like this are embarassment.

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Judging on how I’ve seen Kentucky basketball fans act, this headline is reflective of the maturity level of his readership, I’m sure
 
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I'm not trying to claim that the NCAA applies rules to all equally and consistently, but I'm in the camp that I don't see Zeigler's argument. Had he missed more PT from his injury, then I could see a stronger argument; I assume that was the "logic" in the NCAA granting that Stute kid an additional year. Again, I'm not advocating the NCAA's decisions or claiming they are being fair, just sharing my interpretation.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I'm not trying to claim that the NCAA applies rules to all equally and consistently, but I'm in the camp that I don't see Zeigler's argument. Had he missed more PT from his injury, then I could see a stronger argument; I assume that was the "logic" in the NCAA granting that Stute kid an additional year. Again, I'm not advocating the NCAA's decisions or claiming they are being fair, just sharing my interpretation.
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So you do see his argument then? Someone who played in too many games to qualify for a medical redshirt is getting a 6th year, but zeigler who also played in too many games to get a medical redshirt isn’t getting a 5th year. And if you just simply look at career games played the guy getting a 6th year has more career games played than the guy being told he can only play 4 years…pretty clear what Ziegler’s arguenent is. I’m not saying you have to agree with it, or think those guys should get an extra year, but I don’t get those saying that he has no argument/case or saying they don’t see his argument, it’s pretty clear what it is.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So you do see his argument then? Someone who played in too many games to qualify for a medical redshirt is getting a 6th year, but zeigler who also played in too many games to get a medical redshirt isn’t getting a 5th year. And if you just simply look at career games played the guy getting a 6th year has more career games played than the guy being told he can only play 4 years…pretty clear what Ziegler’s arguenent is. I’m not saying you have to agree with it, or think those guys should get an extra year, but I don’t get those saying that he has no argument/case or saying they don’t see his argument, it’s pretty clear what it is.
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To more accurately state my stance, I don't see a good or persuasive argument in Zeigler's case. The difference I'm recognizing is the amount/percentage of games played at the D1 level. I'm not aware of any players who played as much as and missed as little as Zeigler and were granted an extra year. If there are any, then I will change my stance. You mentioned "a guy" - maybe that's the one that will change my mind, but I'm not sure who you're referring to.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
To more accurately state my stance, I don't see a good or persuasive argument in Zeigler's case. The difference I'm recognizing is the amount/percentage of games played at the D1 level. I'm not aware of any players who played as much as and missed as little as Zeigler and were granted an extra year. If there are any, then I will change my stance. You mentioned "a guy" - maybe that's the one that will change my mind, but I'm not sure who you're referring to.
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Definitely more fair than the original imo

Devan Cambridge has played 6 years, 141 total career games, and was granted a 7th year due to games missed for injuries.

Zakai Zeigler has played 4 seasons, 138 total career games, and can’t get a 5th year.

The NCAA has granted multiple medical redshirts for players who exceed the 11 game limit they set previously, if we are allowing guys to get waivers for missing 12 games, 14 games, 17 games etc. where is the line now “fairly” drawn since clearly the previous rule limit has no been blurred and passed?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Definitely more fair than the original imo

Devan Cambridge has played 6 years, 141 total career games, and was granted a 7th year due to games missed for injuries.

Zakai Zeigler has played 4 seasons, 138 total career games, and can’t get a 5th year.

The NCAA has granted multiple medical redshirts for players who exceed the 11 game limit they set previously, if we are allowing guys to get waivers for missing 12 games, 14 games, 17 games etc. where is the line now “fairly” drawn since clearly the previous rule limit has no been blurred and passed?
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I 100% agree with your concluding thoughts here - the NCAA has historically allowed so many exceptions that the boundaries have been pushed and blurred over time to the point of seeming ambiguous. They need to rethink that entire idea or more strictly enforce their guidelines imo.

I still see Zeigler as an outlier. I can only assume that the NCAA weighs the "potential time missed" more than the actual amount of games or time that a player has accrued - that's really the only justification for the Cambridge example as far as I know. So I can see the angle that Zeigler missing six games in one season is too low of an amount of time, even though the threshold is so ambiguous. Not saying I agree with the actions the NCAA has taken, but I think they  could reasonably demonstrate that denying Zeigler is consistent with past decisions based on potenital time missed due to extenuating circumstances.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I 100% agree with your concluding thoughts here - the NCAA has historically allowed so many exceptions that the boundaries have been pushed and blurred over time to the point of seeming ambiguous. They need to rethink that entire idea or more strictly enforce their guidelines imo.

I still see Zeigler as an outlier. I can only assume that the NCAA weighs the "potential time missed" more than the actual amount of games or time that a player has accrued - that's really the only justification for the Cambridge example as far as I know. So I can see the angle that Zeigler missing six games in one season is too low of an amount of time, even though the threshold is so ambiguous. Not saying I agree with the actions the NCAA has taken, but I think they  could reasonably demonstrate that denying Zeigler is consistent with past decisions based on potenital time missed due to extenuating circumstances.
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I’m with you in that I’m sure that’s how the NCAA is viewing it and differentiating between the 2, however if you are Zeigler that’s more than enough to present a compelling case as the NCAA is arbitrarily picking how many games you can now miss, over their self decided rule, and still now get a waiver. The fact is Zeigler missed games, maybe it’s too many, but other players also missed too many and got a waiver for another year, and with no new rule in place stating what that number is there’s no doubt Zeigler had a legitimate case/argument imo.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Definitely more fair than the original imo

Devan Cambridge has played 6 years, 141 total career games, and was granted a 7th year due to games missed for injuries.

Zakai Zeigler has played 4 seasons, 138 total career games, and can’t get a 5th year.

The NCAA has granted multiple medical redshirts for players who exceed the 11 game limit they set previously, if we are allowing guys to get waivers for missing 12 games, 14 games, 17 games etc. where is the line now “fairly” drawn since clearly the previous rule limit has no been blurred and passed?
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This really is the crux of his argument, and it's the NCAA's fault...they created this mess by not rigidly enforcing their own rules. Now they want to arbitrarily decide where and what that cutoff is without having any guidelines in place to clarify it. It should be no shock that players with no NBA future are now looking to exploit that inconsistency with a proven opportunity to significantly profit from NIL.
 
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kckempf said:
Safe to say Kentucky fans are still pissed about being crushed in the tournament by Zeigler.
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I mean he flipped off the UK logo after we won in rupp (I was lucky to be there). And then the week after he kicked their azz in the sweet sixteen. We’d be pissed off too if the roles were reversed. Let them cry, and fill your cup up with kitty tears
 
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cncchris33 said:
This really is the crux of his argument, and it's the NCAA's fault...they created this mess by not rigidly enforcing their own rules. Now they want to arbitrarily decide where and what that cutoff is without having any guidelines in place to clarify it. It should be no shock that players with no NBA future are now looking to exploit that inconsistency with a proven opportunity to significantly profit from NIL.
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The NCAA in a nutshell. They never rigidly enforce their own rules. Because they want to play favorites and foes.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
I mean he flipped off the UK logo after we won in rupp (I was lucky to be there). And then the week after he kicked their azz in the sweet sixteen. We’d be pissed off too if the roles were reversed. Let them cry, and fill your cup up with kitty tears
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I'm with you on UK. But actually the flip off was a Photoshop job. Sorry
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So you do see his argument then? Someone who played in too many games to qualify for a medical redshirt is getting a 6th year, but zeigler who also played in too many games to get a medical redshirt isn’t getting a 5th year. And if you just simply look at career games played the guy getting a 6th year has more career games played than the guy being told he can only play 4 years…pretty clear what Ziegler’s arguenent is. I’m not saying you have to agree with it, or think those guys should get an extra year, but I don’t get those saying that he has no argument/case or saying they don’t see his argument, it’s pretty clear what it is.
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Did ZZ ever apply for a redshirt? I would think he would need to have done that and been denied first before suing for a 5th year. Or at least that going through the “proper process” would have strengthened his case.
 
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Orange. said:
The NCAA in a nutshell. They never rigidly enforce their own rules. Because they want to play favorites and foes.
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Which really is odd. You put rules in place...enforce them equally and fairly. I have no problem with them telling Zeigler no. The problem is with selectively telling so many others yes, none of which are any more eligible for additional years than Zeigler. It's just crazy, and then they waste all this money and resources fighting it in and out of court when the entire situation is a product of their own doing.
 
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