Zakai Zeigler suing for 5th year

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swchandler1988 said:
Why wouldn’t you want arguably the best point guard we’ve ever had BACK on the team? That’s a little crazy. He’s not “trying to take a spot”. He wants to win a natty with his coach and his team. Stop trying to villainize him. This school means more to him than we could understand, i don’t fault him at all for trying to come back and : win a natty, make some money, have some fun. Also, there’s spots available, so he’s not taking someone’s spot
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Love Zeigler. Just don't like the precedent it would set.
 
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SMU Vol said:
Sad it if happens. College is a four year deal. The redshirt year makes sense. But giving five full years will just deprive athletes of opportunities. It will inevitably morph into guys getting 6-7 years (it already has).
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You aren’t understanding. The NCAA is already proposing this and most likely going to pass it. 5 years to play 5. Just don’t know the timing. It eliminates the arbitrary decisions for waivers and allows the NCAA to focus on other things (that they still can’t figure out). You can debate using your opinion, but it’s already been proposed. ZZ is just trying to get it this year. This won’t set a precedent.
 
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SMU Vol said:
Love Zeigler. Just don't like the precedent it would set.
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I get what you’re saying, but this wouldn’t be the first time someone’s stayed in college longer than 4 years. Take that TE from
Miami, he was in school for 9 years. I know there were medical redshirts in there, and Covid, but if you’re looking for a case study to dissect if start with him and Cam Rising
 
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VolGee4 said:
You aren’t understanding. The NCAA is already proposing this and most likely going to pass it. 5 years to play 5. Just don’t know the timing. It eliminates the arbitrary decisions for waivers and allows the NCAA to focus on other things (that they still can’t figure out). You can debate using your opinion, but it’s already been proposed. ZZ is just trying to get it this year. This won’t set a precedent.
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Do you really think some guy who plays four full years, and then gets hurt 20 games into year 5, won't sue for a sixth year? And the NCAA and the courts will then grow a spine a turn him down?

We'll have guys with three PhDs averaging a triple-double at age 29
 
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SMU Vol said:
Do you really think some guy who plays four full years, and then gets hurt 20 games into year 5, won't sue for a sixth year? And the NCAA and the courts will then grow a spine a turn him down?

We'll have guys with three PhDs averaging a triple-double at age 29
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He won’t have grounds because the 5 flat rule will apply to everyone regardless of injuries or anything else. The ambiguity around who can get a redshirt now is what opens the door to all the litigation. Having a firm consistent rule eliminates all of that.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
I get what you’re saying, but this wouldn’t be the first time someone’s stayed in college longer than 4 years. Take that TE from
Miami, he was in school for 9 years. I know there were medical redshirts in there, and Covid, but if you’re looking for a case study to dissect if start with him and Cam Rising
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Rising was hurt a million times. Played only two full seasons
 

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Col_Cathcart said:
He won’t have grounds because the 5 flat rule will apply to everyone regardless of injuries or anything else. The ambiguity around who can get a redshirt now is what opens the door to all the litigation. Having a firm consistent rule eliminates all of that.
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Sorry, just have zero confidence that this new rule will be ironclad and there will be no future wiggle room. Recent history supports my position.
 
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SMU Vol said:
Do you really think some guy who plays four full years, and then gets hurt 20 games into year 5, won't sue for a sixth year? And the NCAA and the courts will then grow a spine a turn him down?

We'll have guys with three PhDs averaging a triple-double at age 29
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That has nothing to do with his argument about being able to play in his FIFTH year. 5 in 5 should eliminate NEED for any appeals. Redshirts go away. Not in play. Save a lot of time. Clock starts, clock stops.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
That has nothing to do with his argument about being able to play in his FIFTH year. 5 in 5 should eliminate NEED for any appeals. Redshirts go away. Not in play. Save a lot of time. Clock starts, clock stops.
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if 5 in 5 is approved (and I hope it's not) then he can just play. He doesn't need to sue. But in a few years Tennessee's next 5'9 PG will be suing to play six in six (or seven, or eight) and then what?

You get four years in college. It's COLLEGE. Five years as a victory lap as a wayward student (or a redshirt athlete). We're really losing the plot here. And I LOVED watching Zakai
 
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SMU Vol said:
if 5 in 5 is approved (and I hope it's not) then he can just play. He doesn't need to sue. But in a few years Tennessee's next 5'9 PG will be suing to play six in six (or seven, or eight) and then what?

You get four years in college. It's COLLEGE. Five years as a victory lap as a wayward student (or a redshirt athlete). We're really losing the plot here. And I LOVED watching Zakai
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None of this bears any resemblance to college. That horse left the barn a while ago and ain’t coming back. And it’s going to get crazier.
 
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SMU Vol said:
Do you really think some guy who plays four full years, and then gets hurt 20 games into year 5, won't sue for a sixth year? And the NCAA and the courts will then grow a spine a turn him down?

We'll have guys with three PhDs averaging a triple-double at age 29
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Why is that a problem? College sports are already vastly different from the past. Coaches aren’t going to start turning down $10 million/year. Why should players have to stop after 5 years?

The simple solution is to enforce rules regarding making progress towards earning a degree and penalizing schools with players that fail to do that.

The NCAA has limits on how effective they can be as long as players aren’t employees.
 
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SMU Vol said:
if 5 in 5 is approved (and I hope it's not) then he can just play. He doesn't need to sue. But in a few years Tennessee's next 5'9 PG will be suing to play six in six (or seven, or eight) and then what?

You get four years in college. It's COLLEGE. Five years as a victory lap as a wayward student (or a redshirt athlete). We're really losing the plot here. And I LOVED watching Zakai
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The average timeframe for an athlete to get their degree is now actually 5 years, that’s part of the reasoning that many are using for 5/5 proposed rule change. Many athletes aren’t getting it done in 4 years and are having to stick around into summer or return later on to finish.
 
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cncchris33 said:
What is special about Stute's circumstances that merits another season?
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe he played during the Covid year, which didn’t count. He also had blood clots and only played 14 games in a season.

Explain to me how ZZ was cheated or mistreated by the ncaa during his four years.
 
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UTK said:
Some yall on crack for even thinking ZZ wants a 5th year to play anywhere else other than for the Vols
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Without doubt. This gets passed for this upcoming season, z will run the point. Gillespie will play the 2 guard . With Gillespie seeing time also pg at times
 
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LittleCat said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe he played during the Covid year, which didn’t count. He also had blood clots and only played 14 games in a season.

Explain to me how ZZ was cheated or mistreated by the ncaa during his four years.
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The COVID year was only given because they cancelled the NCAA tournament but players got to play most of that year. Zakai’s serious injury caused him to miss a tournament. Not that much different in terms of things a player can’t control
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
His reason is fairness, equality for earning potential…why should players who have played more games than him and more years than him be getting yet another year and he shouldn’t, that’s the point.
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fairness? How was he treated unfairly? If it was about money then he should have left UT and chased the bag elsewhere in years prior.

I believes he’s just using the lawsuit as a pretense so that he can just play another year of college ball. He knows he got his 4 years but he looks around at the confusion caused by the ncaa and thinks, “heck, I might as well sue too and it might even work”. No harm no foul. I get it.

But it’s lame to see all these athletes fighting for extra years when they have gotten their fair chance. You get 5 years typically to play 4 eligible seasons. ZZ got his 4 years in 4. Move along
 
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Today's college student on average stays in school more than 4 years, or at least those that have to work and not able to take 15 to 18 course hours every semester. So why shouldn't athletes get 5 years?
 
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