Zach Rogers

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sjt18 said:
He isn't unathletic.

He has two basic problems. First, he isn't durable. Second, he has "good" hands but not GREAT hands. D Rogers also has "good" hands... but he is just as athletic and much bigger.

Hunter is the football equivalent of a 5-tool baseball player. He has elite athleticism, runs good routes, excellent hands, great size, and blocks well. It will be a crying shame if he wastes that amount of talent on track.
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Football pays more.. But you are basically putting down track like its a crap sport or something. He has Olympic caliber high jump skills... How would he be wasting his talent if he was an Olympic athlete?
 
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sjt18 said:
He isn't unathletic.

He has two basic problems. First, he isn't durable. Second, he has "good" hands but not GREAT hands. D Rogers also has "good" hands... but he is just as athletic and much bigger.

Hunter is the football equivalent of a 5-tool baseball player. He has elite athleticism, runs good routes, excellent hands, great size, and blocks well. It will be a crying shame if he wastes that amount of talent on track.
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from good hands to excellent hands.... Interesting.

His catch against Cincy is all the evident that you need to know he has unbelievable hands.
 
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to catch the ball and playing scared might have something to do with it. And finally he doesn't have any durability, always "dinged" so he doesn't have to practice getting hit. Basically not tough enough or good enough for SEC play.
 
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VolunteerTitan3 said:
Game speed? Track speed? A 40 time is a 40 time. I'd like to see some of the posters on this boards track time. It would probably look alot more like Z. Rogers' ACT score!
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A 40 time isn't in pads and has little to do with catching the ball and yac.
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Z. Rogers is an athletic, he just got to catch the ball better & not sure if he can hold on to the football when it comes to big hit. I won't be surprise if Arnett or Dallas will take over Rogers...
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Dudes...(yup..I said "dudes") let's wait and see what the kid can do. We don't know how good Rogers can be, or will be. All we know, right now, is the coaching staff consider him to be the third-best receiver on the team, behind Hunter & Rogers.

He seems like a good kid, when you meet him. How about we wish him luck & hope he turns out to be fun to watch?
 
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He's athletic , just not that good. If he can hold on to the ball and run sharper routes he can do a good job.
 
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If only he could get open and catch the ball he'd be a good receiver. Yeah I don't see why people aren't excited about him.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
from good hands to excellent hands.... Interesting.

His catch against Cincy is all the evident that you need to know he has unbelievable hands.
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Talking about D Rogers? I didn't say he wasn't tough but that sandwich wasn't a "hands" play.

I am specifically thinking in terms of not dropping slants and things like that. Plays where you must catch with your hands.

Hunter caught more than one ball that was "low and outside". He has the ability to "snatch" the ball. It isn't a common ability.
 
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sjt18 said:
I didn't see anyone do that.

Both guys have dropped passes however. Neither have hands close to Hunter's level.
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I'd bet Da'Rick has had about 20 times more balls thrown his direction than Z. Rogers and I'd bet Z has more drops. I can only really remember DaRick dropping one ball this year and that was a gimme against Montana.

Hunter is longer and can up higher than DaRick, but I have no idea where you are getting the idea he has much better hands than DaRick.
 
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sjt18 said:
You just described the remaining WR's minus D Rogers.
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I'd be very surprised if Z. Rogers is still our starting 2nd receiver in a few weeks. I fully expect Arnett or someone else to take his spot. That is if he doesn't get injured and make it a moot point.
 
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Before his senior year, Denarius Moore dropped a lot of passes that were in his hands. I'd pretty much given up on the guy, but look what happened. I'm reminded of D-Mo when thinking of Z-Ro's drops. Zach can definitely play WR. We've seen him make great plays. But he must be more consistent catching passes, period. I'm not talking about next year; I'm talking about now.
 
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SeanJean said:
I'd bet Da'Rick has had about 20 times more balls thrown his direction than Z. Rogers and I'd bet Z has more drops. I can only really remember DaRick dropping one ball this year and that was a gimme against Montana.

Hunter is longer and can up higher than DaRick, but I have no idea where you are getting the idea he has much better hands than DaRick.
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It's just an observation but i've seen JH one arm it, and make more highlight reel catches than DR. Some of which were great hands, some of which were the opportunities he's had. I wouldn't ever say DR's had bad, mediocre, or any other middling adjective hands.
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Yeah Hunter is a special talent. No question whatsoever about that. That doesn't mean DR isn't a hell of a receiver in his own right though. Dude has big hands and can make some big time catches himself.
 
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SeanJean said:
I'd bet Da'Rick has had about 20 times more balls thrown his direction than Z. Rogers and I'd bet Z has more drops. I can only really remember DaRick dropping one ball this year and that was a gimme against Montana.
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He dropped at least one vs UF. I am not saying ZR has not dropped more than one but I've only seen one.

And again, the comparison isn't between them. It is between guys like them with "good" hands and Hunter who does incredible things.

Between ZR and DR, Da'rick is unquestionably a far better WR. He's bigger, faster, quicker, runs tighter routes, etc. But he and ZR both have "good" hands. They're going to drop a few balls right now.

Hunter is longer and can up higher than DaRick, but I have no idea where you are getting the idea he has much better hands than DaRick.
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They both have said so based on their practice/game scoring system but that's not what I am getting at. I'll give an example on a single play.

Hunter ran that little hook route like the one he got hurt on. Instead of throwing it high, Bray delivered a laser that arrived about a foot off the ground and a little behind Hunter. He reached around his body and caught the pass with his hands AFTER it had actually passed him. He "snatched" it.

He made it look so easy and routine that many people probably didn't notice... but that was an elite catch that only a handful of college receivers can make.
 
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SeanJean said:
I'd be very surprised if Z. Rogers is still our starting 2nd receiver in a few weeks. I fully expect Arnett or someone else to take his spot. That is if he doesn't get injured and make it a moot point.
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I honestly hope you are right unless he improves on a number of fronts. I am pretty excited about both Arnett and Dallas. I would absolutely LOVE to see Milton step his game up. For that matter... I wouldn't mind seeing Anderson be "the guy".

OTOH, I will be very surprised if the "#2" role doesn't turn into Bray spreading the ball all over the field much like he did later in the game vs UF. I was actually very happy watching him do that. The #2 option could easily become a RB or TE. I think Poole, Lane, Rivera, and even Downs look like better second options right now.
 
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SJT,

JH is on a whole other plane at the college level. DR has great hands for the college level especially for a true SOPHMORE but he's essentially being measured against a phenom. I agree with your points but I'd move both up a level to agree. ZR has ok hands, not great and his possession skills are way under DR, which is another discussion.
 
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I'm not arguing that Hunter doesn't have great hands. He does. That's a fact. I think DR does as well though. I don't think ZR should even be in the conversation when it comes to being compared to DR. Zach cannot catch balls in traffic, nor is he going to go up and grab a ball (two things DR can do because he has great hands). Despite what you're saying, one of DR's strong suits are his hands. He has big strong hands. That's why he's been in the mix at KR.

I've seen DaRick make a handful of great catches already this year, and I'm not sure I've seen ZR make one his entire career. He made a decent catch in that Cincinnati game for the TD, but he was all by himself. And he dropped at least two balls right to him in the UF game.
 
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SeanJean said:
lol @ comparing D-Mo and ZR. What games are you guys watching?
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Why do you do non-sense like that?

NO ONE compared ZR to DM. Someone simply said that guys can overcome hands problems. Moore DID drop alot of passes before his Sr year. He showed very little ability to get open. To that point, he was a fast guy who wasn't very physical.
 
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sjt18 said:
I honestly hope you are right unless he improves on a number of fronts. I am pretty excited about both Arnett and Dallas. I would absolutely LOVE to see Milton step his game up. For that matter... I wouldn't mind seeing Anderson be "the guy".

OTOH, I will be very surprised if the "#2" role doesn't turn into Bray spreading the ball all over the field much like he did later in the game vs UF. I was actually very happy watching him do that. The #2 option could easily become a RB or TE. I think Poole, Lane, Rivera, and even Downs look like better second options right now.
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Yeah I'm very excited about Arnett. He's a gamer. And that might be the thing with ZR. He might be a great practice player and might work really hard, but he just doesn't quite make it happen at game time. I think Arnett showed glimpses of being an absolute gamer against UF. I've yet to see or hear any reason why Milton is going to get in the mix though, but then again, I'm not at practice every day.

And I agree with your latter point. Rivera, Poole, etc. will all catch a lot of passes with JH on the sideline. We have a lot of guys who can make plays with the ball in their hands.
 
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SeanJean said:
I'm not arguing that Hunter doesn't have great hands. He does. That's a fact. I think DR does as well though. I don't think ZR should even be in the conversation when it comes to being compared to DR. Zach cannot catch balls in traffic, nor is he going to go up and grab a ball (two things DR can do because he has great hands). Despite what you're saying, one of DR's strong suits are his hands. He has big strong hands. That's why he's been in the mix at KR.
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I haven't seen those great hands catches yet. Sorry. I love the guy and think he has a great future. But if there's an area of his game that still needs to improve its catching the ball with his hands.

Returning kicks has absolutely nothing to do with that.

And he dropped at least two balls right to him in the UF game.
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I may have missed that... I was in a state of disappointed shock for awhile after Hunter got hurt.
 
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