You can’t blame Philip Fulmer for anything

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Perspective said:
Yep.

That fact he wasn’t makes me fearful of what he knows. They poured on the praise and gave him a nice buyout like they’re running afraid of what he’ll tell.
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I heard the same that UT is afraid of what Fulmer knows in another thread a day or two ago. The post about Pruitt drawing money out of the bank and Tre Smith’s sister initiating the investigation back in November.
 
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MaTaLa said:
An honest check in from Steele and Tee would probably give ya all you want.
This isn't a court of law and there's lots of evidence for the court of public opinion where the optic is paramount.
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It is times like this that, in my weaker moments, I wish CPF had taken the HC job with the Steelers.....or Lions....or Broncos.....instead of returning to his alma mater to endure the slings and arrows of negavols who know not of what they speak. But, like the most loyal of sons, he heard UT calling and rushed to her aid. A volunteer in character, as well as in name.

When you look on what the program has become, i hope the negavols consider what they have wrought....and are ashamed of their part in it.

CPF, and UT, will rise again, like a phoenix from the ashes. And then woe betide UT's rivals.
 
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UTNOW20 said:
It is times like this that, in my weaker moments, I wish CPF had taken the HC job with the Steelers.....or Lions....or Broncos.....instead of returning to his alma mater to endure the slings and arrows of negavols who know not of what they speak. But, like the most loyal of sons, he heard UT calling and rushed to her aid. A volunteer in character, as well as in name.

When you look on what the program has become, i hope the negavols consider what they have wrought....and are ashamed of their part in it.

CPF, and UT, will rise again, like a phoenix from the ashes. And then woe betide UT's rivals.
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tl;dr
 
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TheFlash1971 said:
Back stabbing garbage, that's what he will be known for.
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If CPF had softly uttered "Et tu, Brute??" during that most tragic of press conferences, could anyone have blamed the Colossus of Rocky Top?? Nay, he could not bring himself to cast aspersions on those that had betrayed him, lest he bring to bear a negative light on UT.

The Lion of Knoxville endures undiminished in the eyes of loyal UT fans.
 
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uncle chewii said:
If Fulmer knew anything of this then yes we can blame him as he was complicit if he knew.
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It is pretty clear that as the internal investigation was wrapping up that CPF was not assigned and direct responsibility for the infractions uncovered. He would not have been allowed to simply resign and get out of the way with the accolades they gave him at the presser. HE OWNS the ultimate responsibility for hiring Pruitt, but does not make him guilty of the acts and evidently not even guilty of negligence for not seeing the problems before the whistle blower triggered the investigation due to how they were covered up down stream.
 
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You can't blame him for everything but if you go back to when he was fired as HC and why you will see he got to comfortable in his job and it showed. That is where the slide started, the decisions made afterward by most of the ones supposedly in charge made it much worse and his return and then retiring/firing along with the firing of those he hired in the football program and starting with a clean slate with any ties to this past regime's has hopefully ended it.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Took over a Top 10 program in 1992 and left it a bottom-half SEC program in 2008.

Took over a Three Mile Island situation in 2017 and left it as a Chernobyl in 2020.

Over time, his legacy with football fans in general will be that national championship and the quality coaching record.

Those who dig deeper, most of them Tennessee fans, will know the end of the Fulmer story was a tragedy based largely on his inept decisions and lack of oversight.
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I’m beginning to suspect Fulmer was just a great recruiter that fell into great coordinators being in place.
 
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President Harry Truman dropped the A-Bomb and ended the war with Japan.He had a sign on his desk(The buck stops here) This is what Fulmers job was at UT,he hired Pruitt and he was responsible for him and everyone in the FB dept.His actions indicate he shows no responsibility for what happened but I differ! We are paying him AGAIN to do nothing! 37,000 a month UNBELIEVABLE !! Put that in a few Hardee's bags and you get a bunch of guys that win 3 games!
 
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If fulmer didn’t give Pruitt an Extension, we likely fire him and pay him his buyout and sweep everything under the rug. Administration decided they don’t want to pay a buyout and decides to find every single possible violation
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m beginning to suspect Fulmer was just a great recruiter that fell into great coordinators being in place.
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There was a fire there to be better. The decision to change the focus of the offense post-Manning was a great move allowing us to step up to the next level. The hiring of Mike Barry was an upgrade on top of what was already a strength at Tennessee.

But young, hungry Fulmer gave way to old Henry VIII Fulmer: arrogant, satisfied, and stale.

I don't take away the quality he represented for a long period of time here. But that doesn't absolve him from responsibility for where this program is at right now.

The decline begins with him...and he only took things on an even lower level while he was athletic director.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
It is pretty clear that as the internal investigation was wrapping up that CPF was not assigned and direct responsibility for the infractions uncovered. He would not have been allowed to simply resign and get out of the way with the accolades they gave him at the presser. HE OWNS the ultimate responsibility for hiring Pruitt, but does not make him guilty of the acts and evidently not even guilty of negligence for not seeing the problems before the whistle blower triggered the investigation due to how they were covered up down stream.
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I do not think he knew what was going on personally but that is why I said IF because you never know. If the rumors about it being so open then he had too know. Plus CPF has a following around here like Peyton does and if you don't think that they wouldn't let him simply retire and get out of the way then you are naïve. CPF isn't going to be an AD anywhere else or coach anywhere else so what would be the point of throwing him under the bus along with Pruitt and the others? Let him ride into the sunset because he has the Pruitt hire on him already.
 
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Fulmer was either complicit or he was negligent in this scenario, there are no other explanations. His actions and the reaction by the University tend to make me believe the latter, but the brazen stupidity of some of the hearsay/rumours (which most certainly is embellished) makes you wonder how he was ignorant of the situation.
 
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thistime said:
You can't blame him for everything but if you go back to when he was fired as HC and why you will see he got to comfortable in his job and it showed. That is where the slide started, the decisions made afterward by most of the ones supposedly in charge made it much worse and his return and then retiring/firing along with the firing of those he hired in the football program and starting with a clean slate with any ties to this past regime's has hopefully ended it.
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Good point. People also need to ask themselves, "who is/was responsible for Mike Hamilton getting the AD job?" No Hamilton, no Dooley...no Dooley, no Lyle...no Lyle, no Pruitt. If CPF hadn't pushed for Hamilton to be the AD, I imagine we are in a much different/better position that we are in now.
 
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volintheham said:
Fulmer was either complicit or he was negligent in this scenario, there are no other explanations. His actions and the reaction by the University tend to make me believe the latter, but the brazen stupidity of some of the hearsay/rumours (which most certainly is embellished) makes you wonder how he was ignorant of the situation.
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They’re playing dumb, because that’s how it needs to be for Pruitt to be the fall guy. Sanctions from cheating occurring due to lack of institutional control (over Pruitt) is much preferred over admitting there was actually institutional control over the cheating.

Let’s be real. The SEC cheats. We cheat. It didn’t start with Pruitt. He just walked into a culture that embraced it and did it poorly enough to allow his haters to pin it on him in their quarrel
 
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