WWE Thread

[EricFreakingBerry]

They both got me to watch last night, and I can say that hasn't happened in a very long time. I would tune in to WWE here, and tune into TNA there like once every couple of months for several years now, but last night was the first time my TV stayed on wrestling for most of a night. Tuned into Boise/TCU sometimes as well.

There were bits of nostalgia involved, but I thought both acts came across pretty weak. I suppose I was hoping for Bret to flash his revenge card first, but then I guess that blows the proverbial WrestleMania wad that they want to accomplish. I just would've expected after all this time that they could've worked out a more fulfilling way to bring it together than just a "Bret hosts Raw and wants to bury the hatchet with everyone" extravaganza.

TNA had better wrestling for sure, AJ v. Angle was great....but I *just* don't know. Seeing Bischoff, Hogan, Nash, Waltman, and Hall all out there together sprouting grey hairs as the segment went on just turned my stomach a little bit. The "push the youngins" angle felt pretty much like the end of WCW to me.

TNA women's wrestling > WWE's hair pulling sessions

Still won't be ordering PPVs of either organization, but it wasn't the worst night of wrestling I've witnessed or anything. It was at least interesting to flip between two channels and have a better chance of seeing something I wanted to see as opposed to not tuning in at all.

 

[Jaytrain5]

I think the NWO could actually have 1 more good run....but it can't expand. Has to be Hall, Nash, Hogan..and, reluctantly, Waltman. That's it.

But, as much as I love Hall, it'd be tough for me to build any significant storylines involving him and Waltman. Their histories indicate that this run in TNA won't last long for them.

 

[DownNDirty]

I actually enjoyed most of what I saw out of TNA last night. I know people are going to bang on having guys like the Nasty Boys show up but I think it was just part of the entertainment they were going for. Hulk, and the smarts in the wrestling community, have to know everyone screaming who all Hulk will bring back and bring in with him. So he's going with it and bringing in these guys and doing it tounge-in-cheek IMO. The Nasty's will be around long enough to fight Team 3D once and be gone so I see little harm in that. Jerry Saggs is one of the nicest guys in the sport believe it or not so I am happy that he gets another very small token run.

Sean Morley (Val Venis) showing up was a fun segment. He's not going to be a big player or anything but I liked it personally. He'll be a good road agent I imagine down in TNA.

They didn't throw out everyone on this big Impact which was good IMO. If they could do what WCW did early in the Monday Night War game and just have the sheer shock factor of having some guys come in it will be a good move. No, Orlando Jordan didn't shock the world by appearing but its fresh faces and I think that's one thing they are going for. Next time you now wonder if they'll roll out RVD, Mr. Anderson, etc. If they can get you interested in seeing what is going to happen that's part of the game right there.

I went back and watched RAW after TNA ended and I can honestly say TNA did win this first head to head Monday Night even with Bret Hart on RAW. The whole Bret Hart thing on RAW just came across as pretty flat I think.

I know some are afraid of the NWO type reunion on the TNA show but I think it will be a storyline that is quickly played out and Hall and Waltman will both be back on their way pretty soon.

The one thing that I'm honestly wondering is if TNA is going to go with turning Hogan tweener to a little on the heel side with Dixie in his corner. His promo against Jarrett last night was supposed to - at least I think - be a face promo for Hogan but the fans crapped all over it and was in Jarrett's corner. That's honestly the way it needs to play out I think with Jarrett being the face in the angle between he and Hogan.

Yep, I do also get the feeling of the New Blood/Millionaire's Club angle from WCW but hopefully they can spin it a bit differently than that. If TNA can keep guys like AJ, Daniels, Angle, Joe, Wolfe, Beer Money, MCMG, Dinero, Hernandez, etc around and putting on good matches things should keep looking up for TNA. It won't happen overnight but if they could avoid the mistakes of WCW past and actually learn from what the WWE has done right for so many years I think they can eventually start giving RAW a run for the money on Monday Nights in 12-16 months if they play their cards right.

 

[joevol24]

I watched both Raw and TNA last night as well, and fully believe TNA had the better show by a great distance. Raw completely messed up the Kofi/Orton match. Kofi should have won and when Dibiase and Rhodes went to attack Orton, Rhodes should have turned on Dibiase allowing him a chance at a real push. Kofi and Dibiase are two of the most promising young wrestlers around.

 

[cd12]

Turned it as soon as I saw Saggs/Knobbs! I think TNA will soon forget what made it different from Vince and thats the basic reason I watched. I'm willing to give em a chance but will have a quick remote finger.

 

[DownNDirty]

CD I swear maybe I'm way off base but I honestly think TNA is just bringing in these old guys tounge-in-cheek. It will blow over relatively quickly and they "will" focus on the younger talent and exciting matchups. You may see Beefcake, DDP, etc but hopefully they will all be countered by guys showing up like Brian Danielson or other guys of that ilk.

If Bischoff is serious about bringing in a good portion of Lucha/Japanese guys as well I think that will give a big boost to the X-Division. I love the highspots as much as the next guy but alot of those guys just do them for the sake of doing them. Go back and watch when the WCW Cruiserweight division was hot. Most matches featured some of the high flying but also featured good, solid mat wrestling as well. Most of those lucha guys and most of the Japanese high flyers know how to tell a good story during a match. Hopefully they can bring some of that to the TNA X Division if they do indeed come in.

 

[doozer]

TNA is done.

one thing Vince never allowed was the inmates to run the asylum.

all the talk about pushing youngs guys and what not is all fluff. it's not going to happen.

 

[hatvol96]

I think the NWO could actually have 1 more good run....but it can't expand. Has to be Hall, Nash, Hogan..and, reluctantly, Waltman. That's it.

But, as much as I love Hall, it'd be tough for me to build any significant storylines involving him and Waltman. Their histories indicate that this run in TNA won't last long for them.

I think the best option is to use Hall, Nash, Waltman(not because he's any good, but the first two want him around) and, God help me, Scott Steiner as the nWoesque faction. Let Hogan split from them and actually live up to his comments about the new guys getting their turn. He was always the weak link of the nWo. At heart, he's a crowd slurping face. As a heel, he's just an old guy trying to hang out with the cool kids.

 

[miamicane]

the rock says...

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Raw was horrible and TNA reminded me of early WCW and I really did not want to see that all over again.

How long can Sting pull off the crow rafter bit?

 

[hatvol96]

I actually enjoyed most of what I saw out of TNA last night. I know people are going to bang on having guys like the Nasty Boys show up but I think it was just part of the entertainment they were going for. Hulk, and the smarts in the wrestling community, have to know everyone screaming who all Hulk will bring back and bring in with him. So he's going with it and bringing in these guys and doing it tounge-in-cheek IMO. The Nasty's will be around long enough to fight Team 3D once and be gone so I see little harm in that. Jerry Saggs is one of the nicest guys in the sport believe it or not so I am happy that he gets another very small token run.

I agree 100%. The Japan tour 3D is on was booked even before Hogan signed on. Their first order of business upon return will be the complete and utter destruction of the Nasty Boys. Hogan will use that to show how he's not playing favorites, while at the same time getting two of his pals a couple of checks far bigger than what they are earning on the state fair and VFW hall circuit.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I dunno,

 

[KLayneUT8]

I watched both Raw and TNA last night as well, and fully believe TNA had the better show by a great distance. Raw completely messed up the Kofi/Orton match. Kofi should have won and when Dibiase and Rhodes went to attack Orton, Rhodes should have turned on Dibiase allowing him a chance at a real push. Kofi and Dibiase are two of the most promising young wrestlers around.[/QUOTE]


I coulndt agree more with you right there

 

[DMG]

Whether you enjoyed TNA or not (which I did) supporting them is the best thing you can do for the wrestling business. Vince and the WWE has gotten stale. In fact wrestling period has gotten stale (except ROH).

The only way it is going to change is if the fans make it happen ,and i believe that supporting TNA is the best way for us to do that at the present time. BTW check out Ring of Honor (if you haven't already) if you want to see wrestling and not "sports entertainment".

 

[doozer]

Personally, I hope Vince brings Goldberg out and he kicks what little sense Bret has left in his skull out for good. It obviously didn't take last time. Always hated him. This pathetic, money grubbing display simply enforces what I've always said about Hart. He's trash.

just now getting caught up on this thread.

this post was a joke right?

 

[hatvol96]

just now getting caught up on this thread.

this post was a joke right?

Nope. I wish Bret nothing but the worst.

 

[CountVolcula]

I come into this thread to drop a peoples elbow

 

[doozer]

Nope. I wish Bret nothing but the worst.

he stole your girlfriend?

funny you idolize a guy who shows up everytime he needs a quick pay day, but loathe the guy who shows back up for the first time after 12 years.

the irony of being a Flair fan while insulting Hart is rather astounding.

 

[hatvol96]

he stole your girlfriend?

funny you idolize a guy who shows up everytime he needs a quick pay day, but loathe the guy who shows back up for the first time after 12 years.

the irony of being a Flair fan while insulting Hart is rather astounding.

I didn't realize Flair has spent the last 12 years *****ing about how Dixie Carter screwed him and killed his brother. I only wish Kurt was still working for Vince. That way, he would finally get the opportunity to choke Bret til the oil in that creep's hair falls out.

 

[hatvol96]

he stole your girlfriend?

funny you idolize a guy who shows up everytime he needs a quick pay day, but loathe the guy who shows back up for the first time after 12 years.

the irony of being a Flair fan while insulting Hart is rather astounding.

I'm trying to remember when Flair went around crying about the fact the business was being taken over by degenerates and how he was above it all. Oh, that's right. That was Bret.

 

[doozer]

I'm trying to remember when Flair went around crying about the fact the business was being taken over by degenerates and how he was above it all. Oh, that's right. That was Bret.

i'm trying to remember when that wasn't the truth. oh that's right. we have to go back quite a ways.

if it wasn't the truth, why take such offense to it?

the irony of being a Flair fan while insulting Hart continues to be rather astounding.

 

[doozer]

I didn't realize Flair has spent the last 12 years *****ing about how Dixie Carter screwed him and killed his brother. I only wish Kurt was still working for Vince. That way, he would finally get the opportunity to choke Bret til the oil in that creep's hair falls out.

considering the respect each has for the other, i doubt your wish would come true.

 

[doozer]

I'm trying to remember when Flair went around crying about the fact the business was being taken over by degenerates and how he was above it all. Oh, that's right. That was Bret.

i'm trying to remember a time where Bret wouldn't work with somebody or put them over, despite the fact the other person wouldn't do the same. i'm trying to remember a time when Bret was champion and didn't have the respect of everybody in the building. oh, that's right. i can't.

 

[KLayneUT8]

i'm trying to remember a time where bret wouldn't work with somebody or put them over, despite the fact the other person wouldn't do the same. i'm trying to remember a time when bret was champion and didn't have the respect of everybody in the building. Oh, that's right. I can't.

hbk

 

[doozer]

hbk

that wasn't Bret's fault.