Writers Strike

#76
#76
allvol123 said:
They've earned what they have received. The majority of the workers have people in line behind them to replace them.
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Seriously, your last line shows you TRULY have no grip on this business. I'm not trying to be rude, but you don't see me posting in the NASCAR forum, or on tax cuts, or on flying B-52s. Why? Because I don't have the knowledge.

With the way broadcast primetime ratings are going down, there is NO WAY studios/networks wouldn't find these "people in line behind them." People think that there are zillions of talented TV writers who just haven't hit the top for whatever reason. That isn't true. The good writers/specs/scripts are found. To think otherwise is silly.

And no, the writers are not being paid what they've earned. The studios/networks are taking intellectual property and making money off it without reimbursing the owner of the work. If the writers were already making residuals off of webcasts/iTunes downloads, then you'd have a point. They don't, so you don't.
 
#77
#77
VolinArizona said:
Seriously, your last line shows you TRULY have no grip on this business. I'm not trying to be rude, but you don't see me posting in the NASCAR forum, or on tax cuts, or on flying B-52s. Why? Because I don't have the knowledge.

With the way broadcast primetime ratings are going down, there is NO WAY studios/networks wouldn't find these "people in line behind them." People think that there are zillions of talented TV writers who just haven't hit the top for whatever reason. That isn't true. The good writers/specs/scripts are found. To think otherwise is silly.

And no, the writers are not being paid what they've earned. The studios/networks are taking intellectual property and making money off it without reimbursing the owner of the work. If the writers were already making residuals off of webcasts/iTunes downloads, then you'd have a point. They don't, so you don't.
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I have plenty of "grip". If you are really talented at what you do, people will fall in line with your demands and pay you what you want. There are some shows that certainly have top level talent that would be difficult to replace. The vast majority do not. Just like any other profession. If you are top level, then escape the union BS and get what you deserve. And once again, they are getting what they earned. No way around that.
 
#79
#79
The popcorn killed it VolinthaATL but according to what I learned:

If I come up with an idea that saves the company I work for money and/or generates more revenue for them, then I am entitled to some of that extra revenue if they take my idea and create more revenue than I anticipated they could with it. In the real world I would realize this extra personal income most likely in the form of a promotion/pay raise. If I didn't get these then I would take myself and my bright ideas and go find another place to work that values my ideas similarly to the way I value them or start my own business.
 
#81
#81
VolinArizona said:
Seriously, your last line shows you TRULY have no grip on this business. I'm not trying to be rude, but you don't see me posting in the NASCAR forum, or on tax cuts, or on flying B-52s. Why? Because I don't have the knowledge.

With the way broadcast primetime ratings are going down, there is NO WAY studios/networks wouldn't find these "people in line behind them." People think that there are zillions of talented TV writers who just haven't hit the top for whatever reason. That isn't true. The good writers/specs/scripts are found. To think otherwise is silly.

And no, the writers are not being paid what they've earned. The studios/networks are taking intellectual property and making money off it without reimbursing the owner of the work. If the writers were already making residuals off of webcasts/iTunes downloads, then you'd have a point. They don't, so you don't.
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ding ding ding, we have a winner. good post VIA. and i believe it was you who said it, but yes, in good graces all your talk show hosts and most actors would support the writers, even if they aren't on the writing staff.
 
#82
#82
Yes. Winner, winner. Take a look at Trey Parker and Matt Stone and tell me their need to be like the rest of the flunkies in the picket line. Oh, wait they aren't in that line.
 
#83
#83
wow... you pick a starting to flounder cartoon on a medium sized cable channel to pick your fight. Good choice. Shows me all i need to know about your knowledge.
 
#87
#87
volfanbill said:
wow... you pick a starting to flounder cartoon on a medium sized cable channel to pick your fight. Good choice. Shows me all i need to know about your knowledge.
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Here you go Flounder...please note the part about Parker and Stone getting a 50/50 cut on the ad revenue and profits from DVDs and merchandising. Also, note the 75 million they are floundering in. Man if they are floundering just think what the great writers in the WGA could do if only they knew how to depend on their work and not the backing of some idiotic union.

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#88
#88
Well well, VFB and VIA went crickets on me. I guess VFB is looking up the definition to "flounder" and VIA is trying to improve on his argument of "HAHAHA"...
 
#89
#89
seeing as stone and parker direct, produce, voice, and draw their work, you can't really categorize their wealth. They don't make their money simply by writing.
 
#90
#90
allvol123 said:
Well well, VFB and VIA went crickets on me. I guess VFB is looking up the definition to "flounder" and VIA is trying to improve on his argument of "HAHAHA"...
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actually, i was watching college bball. I have better things to do than argue with someone who has no clue what they are talking about. Thanks for the slamming. If you can't win, make fun. It's what you do best.
 
#91
#91
also check the ratings for south park compared to a fews year ago then get back to me.
 
#92
#92
volfanbill said:
actually, i was watching college bball. I have better things to do than argue with someone who has no clue what they are talking about. Thanks for the slamming. If you can't win, make fun. It's what you do best.
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I am watching bbal as well, not that hard to post and watch. Oh I thought you were slamming? You know the floundering TV show that is gonna garner those 2 writers millions upon millions thanks to the ad revenues and merchandising they pull in as well.
 
#93
#93
volfanbill said:
also check the ratings for south park compared to a fews year ago then get back to me.
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Thanks. Why do I care about ratings. We're talking about writers being underpaid. These 2 are projected to get 75 million over a 4 year span and show no signs of needing brother union to protect them. Hmmm...
 
#94
#94
volfanbill said:
seeing as stone and parker direct, produce, voice, and draw their work, you can't really categorize their wealth. They don't make their money simply by writing.
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Maybe that is why the WGA writers are "underpaid", they only have one skill. A typical symptom of union workers. Spending a life rated on one job.
 
#95
#95
wow... you are absolutely clueless aren't you? Get a grip man. For starters, I said starting to flounder, which ratings show it is. It's that simple. You may not care about ratings, but when the ratings seriously dip in the next few years and stone and parker are missing out on their crown jewel baby, they'll care. It makes no difference if they are one skilled or multi skilled. It's what they do and they deserve their credit, union or not. For the record, I have more basketball to watch and I'm not going to waste my time sitting next to a computer to do it. Feel free to flail away. But seeing you've proven you have no credibility in your last few arguments, I'm not going to bother responding. Feel free to get all excited and jump up and down or whatever else you do when you think you've proven a point.
 
#96
#96
:lolabove:

Thanks for proving some of my point for me. You're harping on dropping ratings and they are still making more than 99% of any of the members in the WGA. Stick together brothers. Union Pride.
 
#99
#99
Just put me on one of those late night shows! I could get thru a late night talk show like Leno or Letterman and not need the writers. You may not get a monologue at the start of the show like they typically do, but give me the actors and folks to interview and I'll make you laugh.

Been doing it in radio for 16 years now and have never used a writer before. If I can be entertaining for 5 hours every day on the radio, I can pull off being entertaining for 40 minutes of a late night talk show(20 minutes of commercial time.)

:)
 
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