Writers Strike

#51
#51
allvol123 said:
I can't think of any case in which I have rooted for the union workers on strike. This one is no different.
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So what you're saying is that even though the industry is changing massively over the next 5-10 years, the people who are the basis for the creations shouldn't be able to get paid fairly for their work? That seems fair.
 
#52
#52
VolinArizona said:
So what you're saying is that even though the industry is changing massively over the next 5-10 years, the people who are the basis for the creations shouldn't be able to get paid fairly for their work? That seems fair.
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How are they prohibited from being paid "fairly"?
 
#54
#54
VolinArizona said:
So what you're saying is that even though the industry is changing massively over the next 5-10 years, the people who are the basis for the creations shouldn't be able to get paid fairly for their work? That seems fair.
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especially when the networks are padding their pockets off of the advertising revenue they make hand over fist of said creations.

i don't see how people can't grasp that this is unfair.
 
#55
#55
tennaseevol said:
I've never understood the "bite the hands that feed you" mentality.
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how old are you? out of my own curiosity.

actually, how old is everybody posting in this thread?

i remember sitting in my business classes freshman and sophomore year and thinking that unions were the spawn of satan. and while they certainly engage in shady tactics from time to time, they are set up to protect workers who can't protect themselves. i personally don't agree with them but it's not hard to see the purpose they serve for the people they serve.

i think the biggest problems the average person has with unions is that they feel they are inconvenienced by them when they strike. i'm just as pissed off about missing my shows as the next schlep is, but at the same time i understand the cause.
 
#56
#56
doozer said:
especially when the networks are padding their pockets off of the advertising revenue they make hand over fist of said creations.

i don't see how people can't grasp that this is unfair.
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If their creations were so great they wouldn't need a union. 99.9% of the stuff produced is drivel, thus the need of the union. As all unions do, it is there to protect the overwhelming number of "average" employees. If you produce great work, especially in this technological revolution, you would be able sell your product with clauses that garner you a percentage or get the money you want up front. There are a gazillion TV channels to sell to or just create your own distriubution. Endless opportunities.
 
#57
#57
doozer said:
how old are you? out of my own curiosity.

actually, how old is everybody posting in this thread?

i remember sitting in my business classes freshman and sophomore year and thinking that unions were the spawn of satan. and while they certainly engage in shady tactics from time to time, they are set up to protect workers who can't protect themselves. i personally don't agree with them but it's not hard to see the purpose they serve for the people they serve.

i think the biggest problems the average person has with unions is that they feel they are inconvenienced by them when they strike. i'm just as pissed off about missing my shows as the next schlep is, but at the same time i understand the cause.
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I am old enough to have managed in a union environment, you?
 
#58
#58
allvol123 said:
If their creations were so great they wouldn't need a union. 99.9% of the stuff produced is drivel, thus the need of the union. As all unions do, it is there to protect the overwhelming number of "average" employees. If you produce great work, especially in this technological revolution, you would be able sell your product with clauses that garner you a percentage or get the money you want up front. There are a gazillion TV channels to sell to or just create your own distriubution. Endless opportunities.
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bingo. the talent rises to the top and will continue to make good money. Hollywood will always been willing to pay top $$ for people who can write top notch stuff. i have friends with high six figure incomes writing for truly putrid tv shows and i think to myself "these guys want a raise?"

as for the "you are too young to realize unions are good" argument. I was a manager of 20 unionized workers. These guys were paid twice what the non-union rate is. i couldn't even fire a guy who told me to f off directly to my face and regurally showed up late for work. Sure it's great for those who are in the unions but what about everyone else. hard for me to understand the argument why unions work. Go get another job if you hate your current job. There aren't union towns anymore and this aint the 20s.
 
#59
#59
Is 35 old enough to have an opinion? As I have stated before; just because someone is anti-strike doesn't mean they are anti-union.
 
#60
#60
allvol123 said:
I am old enough to have managed in a union environment, you?
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i have held a job where my position was unionized but the place i worked at chose not too pay dues.

tennaseevol said:
Is 35 old enough to have an opinion? As I have stated before; just because someone is anti-strike doesn't mean they are anti-union.
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yes. don't read too much into that question.

droski said:
as for the "you are too young to realize unions are good" argument.
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where did i say that?

i was merely recalling my thoughts and was wondering if others my age at the time thought the same thing at that time.
 
#64
#64
For those that think that the writers are putting out poor work, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Networks are what make the shows drivel, not the writers.
 
#67
#67
If their work is good they don't need a union to "protect" their earnings. Interesting concept about this capitalism experiment, you put out something people really like, it will sell.
 
#68
#68
allvol123 said:
If their work is good they don't need a union to "protect" their earnings. Interesting concept about this capitalism experiment, you put out something people really like, it will sell.
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The first line is absolutely false.

The last line shows you don't have a grip on this specific issue. You can't just say "No strike is ever good" because that's a ridiculously broad statement. The writers ARE paid for their work by the studios, so obviously the studios like it. The studios/networks are raping the writers though, by not paying fully for what the writers deserve. It's not the writers are striking because they don't get paid for their scripts. They ARE getting paid for their scripts, but not enough. They aren't different shows being shown on TV and internet. THEY ARE THE SAME PRODUCT.
 
#69
#69
It's like this:

If I'm a top writer, and I write a short story that Reader's Digest wants to publish, and we set up a contract for me to get royalties on that when it goes to print. Then, Reader's Digest posts it with advertisements on their website without paying me. That's wrong.
 
#70
#70
VolinArizona said:
The first line is absolutely false.

The last line shows you don't have a grip on this specific issue. You can't just say "No strike is ever good" because that's a ridiculously broad statement. The writers ARE paid for their work by the studios, so obviously the studios like it. The studios/networks are raping the writers though, by not paying fully for what the writers deserve. It's not the writers are striking because they don't get paid for their scripts. They ARE getting paid for their scripts, but not enough. They aren't different shows being shown on TV and internet. THEY ARE THE SAME PRODUCT.
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If the first line is false, then prove it.

If they don't like what they are getting paid then distribute the product themselves. Do the writers give back some of their earnings when the show flops or barely breaks even? As I said earlier, the barriers of promoting yourself are much smaller than they have ever been before. Technology is a mf'er. I grasp plenty on this particular issue, they're pissed because the studios have found new avenues for more revenue and they don't feel that they are getting enough of the cut or any of the cut in some places. Oh well, start a business Mr. Writer, great thing about America, join in.
 
#71
#71
NFL Players Union. Period.

The writers aren't the only people who make a show flop or shine. Arrested Development, widely considered one of the best written shows on TV, was canned very early on. Why? BECAUSE OF THE NETWORKS. Not enough promotion, investment, patience.

The agreement the WGA and the studios/network have in place started BEFORE webcasts began. The WGA has every right (and they're correct on this issue) to strike to get their EARNED piece of the pie.

There are TONS of unions that strike even though their employees do EXCELLENT work. Your stance on this is very similar to Fulmer lovers who say "Since you think you know so much, then you coach the Vols."
 
#72
#72
VolinArizona said:
NFL Players Union. Period.

The writers aren't the only people who make a show flop or shine. Arrested Development, widely considered one of the best written shows on TV, was canned very early on. Why? BECAUSE OF THE NETWORKS. Not enough promotion, investment, patience.

The agreement the WGA and the studios/network have in place started BEFORE webcasts began. The WGA has every right (and they're correct on this issue) to strike to get their EARNED piece of the pie.

There are TONS of unions that strike even though their employees do EXCELLENT work. Your stance on this is very similar to Fulmer lovers who say "Since you think you know so much, then you coach the Vols."
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I am all for people striking, go for it, I just hope studios can hire other writers to continue business or have writers cross the line.

My stance is, you deserve what you're getting paid.
 
#73
#73
VolinArizona said:
NFL Players Union. Period.

The writers aren't the only people who make a show flop or shine. Arrested Development, widely considered one of the best written shows on TV, was canned very early on. Why? BECAUSE OF THE NETWORKS. Not enough promotion, investment, patience.

The agreement the WGA and the studios/network have in place started BEFORE webcasts began. The WGA has every right (and they're correct on this issue) to strike to get their EARNED piece of the pie.

There are TONS of unions that strike even though their employees do EXCELLENT work. Your stance on this is very similar to Fulmer lovers who say "Since you think you know so much, then you coach the Vols."
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

Good analogy
 
#74
#74
allvol123 said:
I am all for people striking, go for it, I just hope studios can hire other writers to continue business or have writers cross the line.

My stance is, you deserve what you're getting paid.
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They've earned more than they're getting paid. That's really not debatable.
 
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