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#127
InVOLuntary said:
Again, I'll defer to you on Tyndall. His resume is better than Cuonzo's when Cuonzo arrived. Tyndall was a name told to me by the same person that told me Cuonzo was unhappy and would seek employment elsewhere at seasons end.
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Which is fine. There's worse options, but to think some plan has been in the works to get rid of Zo for Tyndall is a really scary thing. If it was Marshall, or Howland ok, but Tyndall is FAAAAAAAAAAR from a sure thing.
 
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#129
Agree Tyndall isn't a sure thing but he's a good coach. I've actually got a connection to a booster at southern miss, but he's more of a football and baseball guy. But I follow southern miss in general some because of him.

Tyndall recruiting would be a question mark for me. But he can flat out coach.
 
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#130
I think changing the buyout to where Tennessee could conceivably fire him after next year, with three years left on his deal, and only have to pay him $1 million was probably interpreted as a sign that they weren't committed to him long term.
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He made a move that was best for his family and him, hard to fault him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is fine. There's worse options, but to think some plan has been in the works to get rid of Zo for Tyndall is a really scary thing. If it was Marshall, or Howland ok, but Tyndall is FAAAAAAAAAAR from a sure thing.
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I don't think Hart let Cuonzo leave for Tyndall. I think Hart thought Cuonzo had exhausted his opportunities this year and he felt like he'd offered Martin what he thought was market value for a coach of Martin's abilities therefore if he left he could get a coach of equal or greater abilities for the same money.
 
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#132
#132
patrick said:
Getting paid top 30 money in the whole of NCAA college basketball is no slight regardless of where the money puts him in comparison to other SEC bball coaches. The SEC is the currently the worst major bball conf in America with very little competition. You don't agree - but one good tourney run on the back of a mediocre regular season is no reason to do more than what Hart offered.

If CCM is so confident in his own recruiting and coaching abilities then why was aching to leave? The team next year would have been his team and and his alone. Who would have been to blame had he not made NCAAT next year? Oh yea, the fans.......
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The last paragraph is what's so scary. Most expect us to be average next year in CCM's fourth year and the roster is entirely his and his alone. CCM supporters point to McRae, Maymon and Stokes' "development" under his tutelage without acknowledging the inherent talent that came with those guys.

Now here we are with 10-12 of his guys, of which only one has shown any signs of being a consistent contributor. For the most part no one outside of JRich has proven they have anything that resembles an offensive game. His lack of recruiting and development would've been on full display next year with nowhere to place blame.
 
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#133
#133
InVOLuntary said:
Donnie Tyndall
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Gary Parish said Tyndall would be a candidate and about right for a UT hire. Not sure it would excite me, but he said Tyndall could win in a couple of years. Sounded like a Butch Jones type hire.

Parish knows Steve Forbes well and said that UT would have to throw serious money at Marshall to make him leave a preseason top ten team. Said that Marshall is not just in it for the money.
 
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#134
bowlinggreenvol said:
The last paragraph is what's so scary. Most expect us to be average next year in CCM's fourth year and the roster is entirely his and his alone. CCM supporters point to McRae, Maymon and Stokes' "development" under his tutelage without acknowledging the inherent talent that came with those guys.

Now here we are with 10-12 of his guys, of which only one has shown any signs of being a consistent contributor. For the most part no one outside of JRich has proven they have anything that resembles an offensive game. His lack of recruiting and development would've been on full display next year with nowhere to place blame.
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totally agree with this....
 
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patrick said:
Getting paid top 30 money in the whole of NCAA college basketball is no slight regardless of where the money puts him in comparison to other SEC bball coaches. The SEC is the currently the worst major bball conf in America with very little competition. You don't agree - but one good tourney run on the back of a mediocre regular season is no reason to do more than what Hart offered.

If CCM is so confident in his own recruiting and coaching abilities then why was aching to leave? The team next year would have been his team and and his alone. Who would have been to blame had he not made NCAAT next year? Oh yea, the fans.......
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Do you really have to ask why Martin was aching to leave? He felt like he wasn't wanted and basically reset himself for a new contract at another school. Whatever side you sit on, it was pretty smart.
 
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#136
bowlinggreenvol said:
The last paragraph is what's so scary. Most expect us to be average next year in CCM's fourth year and the roster is entirely his and his alone. CCM supporters point to McRae, Maymon and Stokes' "development" under his tutelage without acknowledging the inherent talent that came with those guys.

Now here we are with 10-12 of his guys, of which only one has shown any signs of being a consistent contributor. For the most part no one outside of JRich has proven they have anything that resembles an offensive game. His lack of recruiting and development would've been on full display next year with nowhere to place blame.
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This next year was always going to be a slight step down regardless after losing McRae and Stokes. Don't know why people think otherwise. It can be debated how far down it should be. I am disappointed that he couldn't recruit a PG before now, and an experienced one would help next year. But we would be playing young players anyway. It was just going to happen. Stokes and McRae and Golden (if stayed) were getting the majority of minutes this past year. Younger guys were not going to develop yet.
 
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VolGee4 said:
This next year was always going to be a slight step down regardless after losing McRae and Stokes. Don't know why people think otherwise. It can be debated how far down it should be. I am disappointed that he couldn't recruit a PG before now, and an experienced one would help next year. But we would be playing young players anyway. It was just going to happen. Stokes and McRae and Golden (if stayed) were getting the majority of minutes this past year. Younger guys were not going to develop yet.
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His recruiting for a program in his fourth year is sub par. Plus, every one of his JC transfers contributed nothing. Miller, Edwards and Pops did nothing but take up a scholly. That's not a good move on his part. Then he takes the only post presence we would've had with him. Thanks Cuonzo!
 
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OrangeBalls said:
His recruiting for a program in his fourth year is sub par. Plus, every one of his JC transfers contributed nothing. Miller, Edwards and Pops did nothing but take up a scholly. That's not a good move on his part. Then he takes the only post presence we would've had with him. Thanks Cuonzo!
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Can't really disagree but year four for him reverts to his first two classes. Aside from Stokes, he didn't have much time to establish the first two classes. Just saying that it was going to be a step down regardless. Just inevitable.
 
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#140
VolGee4 said:
This next year was always going to be a slight step down regardless after losing McRae and Stokes. Don't know why people think otherwise. It can be debated how far down it should be. I am disappointed that he couldn't recruit a PG before now, and an experienced one would help next year. But we would be playing young players anyway. It was just going to happen. Stokes and McRae and Golden (if stayed) were getting the majority of minutes this past year. Younger guys were not going to develop yet.
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You do nothing to explain why we'd be down other than prove my point. No one on the roster outside of Richardson has the talent and/or development to be a contributor.

Going into the 4th year of a "program" there shouldn't be such a lack of development in returning players. Washpun would be a SR, Yemi would be a SR, Chievous a RS Jr but he released/ran all of them off. Edwards never saw the floor, Moore still can't hit a barn even when standing next to it, Reese looks lost half the time. The lack of production from his recruits is astonishing.
 
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#141
VolGee4 said:
Can't really disagree but year four for him reverts to his first two classes. Aside from Stokes, he didn't have much time to establish the first two classes. Just saying that it was going to be a step down regardless. Just inevitable.
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BS he didn't have time in his 2nd class. He took commitments from Reese and Edwards in September of '11 when the late signing period doesn't start till April. He took reaches way too early and then didn't have room.
 
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#146
VolArmy74 said:
I'm curious, what is your problem with Tyndall?
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Just doesn't do it for me. Everyone makes their own choices with their money. That being said I say this now. I'll probably give 1 season to whoever comes to see what I think.
 
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#147
Majorvol23 said:
If I hear the word 'petition' one more time...

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I agree the bottom line is if CM teams were performing on the court as they should have there would not have been a petition.
 
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