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lincolncovol said:
Funny you mentioned the Duke job, thirty years ago they hired a little known coach from Army no one had hardly heard of. That one worked out pretty good for them.
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So because they found a pot of gold you think there is one under every rock huh?...Coach K when he took that job had NOTHING to work with...It was so bad nobody waned to play there thus the bad record at start...but as you can see the cream always rises to the top....That doesn't happen very often...Stop comparing
 
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VOLnMiami said:
So because they found a pot of gold you think there is one under every rock huh?...Coach K when he took that job had NOTHING to work with...It was so bad nobody waned to play there thus the bad record at start...but as you can see the cream always rises to the top....That doesn't happen very often...Stop comparing
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Well, if you never turn a rock over, you'll never know...
 
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oregonvol said:
You do realize that this is the same fanbase that convinced themselves Dooley was a good hire, right? If anything, recent history has shown that the majority of Vol fans will give three years to just about anyone as long as they smile at their press conference.
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And wear an orange tie :hi:
 
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VOLnMiami said:
So because they found a pot of gold you think there is one under every rock huh?...Coach K when he took that job had NOTHING to work with...It was so bad nobody waned to play there thus the bad record at start...but as you can see the cream always rises to the top....That doesn't happen very often...Stop comparing
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Exactly! Wade is just fine where he is. Everybody quit talking about it. He needs to stay put. :)
 
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Sounds like a good hire to me. Let's get him in, give him four years and see what he can do. Of course, if he's a homerun, Clemson will steal him.
 
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Backwards K said:
2008–2009 UCLA 26–9 13–5 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2009–2010 UCLA 14–18 8–10 T–5th
2010–2011 UCLA 23–11 13–5 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2011–2012 UCLA 19–14 11–7 T–5th
2012–2013 UCLA 25–10 13–5 1st NCAA Round of 64

OK. So, they did win a first round game twice in those 5 years but they also didn't even make the tournament in two of those years!

Also, he alienated the entire athletic dept and the area HS and AAU coaches, had 11 players in 5 years transfer out and WAS FIRED AT UCLA.

How can you not win at UCLA? Lone Lawyer said his 93 yr old mother could take UCLA to the Elite 8. Howland couldn't even get to the Sweet 16 in his last 5 years at UCLA.
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If there are really people here saying they'd take Will Wade over Ben Howland, this place has officially lost it. That may be the most ridiculous thing I've seen on VN and that's saying a LOT
 
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VKAman said:
If there are really people here saying they'd take Will Wade over Ben Howland, this place has officially lost it. That may be the most ridiculous thing I've seen on VN and that's saying a LOT
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Well, I follow a lot of coaching searches. Almost every good program that has had an opening this year has had fans wanting Howland. Yet, nobody has hired him.

We call that a clue. If you ignore the clues, you usually lose in the end.

Maybe he is just a bad interview. Or maybe there is something more.

A good example of this is Russ Springmann at Texas. The guys is a top quality assistant, interviews for a lot of jobs, but never get them. The guy is a great recruiter (take a look at the Texas list from the past 10 years), and has done well under Barnes. Yet he is never given a second glance.

I asked an Asst. AD who interviewed him once what the problem was. He told me that they loved the bio, but the guy just did not interview well. That happens sometimes. These are usually quick hires (weeks not months) and you have to make quick decision. I heard last year that Springmann was aware of the problem and was getting help with improving his interview skills. Let's see what happens.

With Howland you could look past a bad interview. Great past. But another retread. And again, there is the question. Why did not XXX or YYY not hire him already.

I will keep coming back to this- Do you want a coach that comes to you to build a program? Or do you want a guy who is just looking for a job?

And now you got another good program looking for a coach. While you sit reading rumor of which way a plane traveled.
 
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TheTruthSreader said:
Well, I follow a lot of coaching searches. Almost every good program that has had an opening this year has had fans wanting Howland. Yet, nobody has hired him.

We call that a clue. If you ignore the clues, you usually lose in the end.

Maybe he is just a bad interview. Or maybe there is something more.

A good example of this is Russ Springmann at Texas. The guys is a top quality assistant, interviews for a lot of jobs, but never get them. The guy is a great recruiter (take a look at the Texas list from the past 10 years), and has done well under Barnes. Yet he is never given a second glance.

I asked an Asst. AD who interviewed him once what the problem was. He told me that they loved the bio, but the guy just did not interview well. That happens sometimes. These are usually quick hires (weeks not months) and you have to make quick decision. I heard last year that Springmann was aware of the problem and was getting help with improving his interview skills. Let's see what happens.

With Howland you could look past a bad interview. Great past. But another retread. And again, there is the question. Why did not XXX or YYY not hire him already.

I will keep coming back to this- Do you want a coach that comes to you to build a program? Or do you want a guy who is just looking for a job?

And now you got another good program looking for a coach. While you sit reading rumor of which way a plane traveled.
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Know who else this applies to? Gregg Marshall. Yeah, I'm glad we passed on him.

To answer your question, I want a guy that wins. Between Howland and Will Wade, there is nothing even resembling a comparison.
 
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VKAman said:
If there are really people here saying they'd take Will Wade over Ben Howland, this place has officially lost it. That may be the most ridiculous thing I've seen on VN and that's saying a LOT
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Why doesn't Desperate Howland have a job genius?
 
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VKAman said:
Know who else this applies to? Gregg Marshall. Yeah, I'm glad we passed on him.

To answer your question, I want a guy that wins. Between Howland and Will Wade, there is nothing even resembling a comparison.
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Just curious if you looked at anything related to UTC Men's Basketball?
 
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vollygirl said:
Just curious if you looked at anything related to UTC Men's Basketball?
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I get that he took a bad team (though 13-19 isn't as bad as I thought) to a winning record in a year. Next to a guy that built Pitt and then went to three straight Final Fours at UCLA, there's no comparison. If Will Wade did this same thing at San Jose State, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
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VKAman said:
I get that he took a bad team (though 13-19 isn't as bad as I thought) to a winning record in a year. Next to a guy that built Pitt and then went to three straight Final Fours at UCLA, there's no comparison. If Will Wade did this same thing at San Jose State, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Now wait just a minute. SJS went 7-24 this year. Had Wade taken the same team and went 18-15, maybe we would be talking about him. :)
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Now wait just a minute. SJS went 7-24 this year. Had Wade taken the same team and went 18-15, maybe we would be talking about him. :)
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Haha, true. Part of the reason I actually picked SJS is the fact that Mike MacIntyre took their football team from 1-11 to 10-2 in 2 years, and even when we had a vacancy no one here cared. But when it's UTC, everyone who has success gets immediate legendary status.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
In before "but WIll Wade has never taken Chattanooga to the Final Four".

I hope so, anyway. I certainly didn't read all 11 pages from point A to here.
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Shaka Smart, the guy he worked for has pretty good coaching experience. Maybe Will Wade doesn't fall far from the tree!:clapping:
 
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Fightmaker said:
Yeah people, he is 18-15. Let's let the boy get his learners permit before we put him in the racecar.
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According to some, this is the racecar we had the last three years...
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TheTruthSreader said:
Well, I follow a lot of coaching searches. Almost every good program that has had an opening this year has had fans wanting Howland. Yet, nobody has hired him.

We call that a clue. If you ignore the clues, you usually lose in the end.

Maybe he is just a bad interview. Or maybe there is something more.

A good example of this is Russ Springmann at Texas. The guys is a top quality assistant, interviews for a lot of jobs, but never get them. The guy is a great recruiter (take a look at the Texas list from the past 10 years), and has done well under Barnes. Yet he is never given a second glance.

I asked an Asst. AD who interviewed him once what the problem was. He told me that they loved the bio, but the guy just did not interview well. That happens sometimes. These are usually quick hires (weeks not months) and you have to make quick decision. I heard last year that Springmann was aware of the problem and was getting help with improving his interview skills. Let's see what happens.

With Howland you could look past a bad interview. Great past. But another retread. And again, there is the question. Why did not XXX or YYY not hire him already.

I will keep coming back to this- Do you want a coach that comes to you to build a program? Or do you want a guy who is just looking for a job?

And now you got another good program looking for a coach. While you sit reading rumor of which way a plane traveled.
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You really don't follow basketball do you? Howland was not going to dump like a South Florida or Boston College. He had interest in the Marquette job and now the Tennessee job. His resume places him in the top tier group of college basketball coaches period. Tennessee has not had this type of opportunity to hire
an elite basketball coach. If not Howland, there are some other top guys out there but as usual this administration will go to the bottom feeder.
Springmann vs Howland comparison really?
 
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docholiday said:
You really don't follow basketball do you? Howland was not going to dump like a South Florida or Boston College. He had interest in the Marquette job and now the Tennessee job. His resume places him in the top tier group of college basketball coaches period. Tennessee has not had this type of opportunity to hire
an elite basketball coach. If not Howland, there are some other top guys out there but as usual this administration will go to the bottom feeder.
Springmann vs Howland comparison really?
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I was not comparing Springmann to Howland. Only pointing out that one miss-step can keep a guy out.

You left out Wake Forest as the teams that were interested in Howland (and a couple others). Wake could pay him as much as they wanted. They have VERY deep pockets.

As for knowing much about College Basketball games, well you might have me there. In the past 10 years I've averaged 70 or 80 games a year. Add in TV and you can triple that. I have good contacts with a lot of coaches and ADs. So yea, my knowledge may be a bit limited.

And before you ask...no, I'm not a UT fan as much as I am a college basketball fan. When there is no basketball to follow this time of year, then the coaching moves are interesting to watch. So I follow lots of them, not just here.

It is an interesting exercise. And one that as long as I can remain anonymous, I can interact with fans and get a feel for how they look at different guys. I have a blog but won't advertise it here (or really anywhere). But my followers can be assured that when I say "ABCU fans really want XYZ" that I know what I'm talking about.

So how many games do you attend in the average year?
 
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lincolncovol said:
Funny you mentioned the Duke job, thirty years ago they hired a little known coach from Army no one had hardly heard of. That one worked out pretty good for them.
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This reminds me of how everyone tries to convince themselves that 2 stars are as good as anyone when recruited by their team.
 
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Are you trying to say an old retread who plays a boring brand of basketball, has less personality than Martin and got fired because he couldn't maintain a level of success at UCLA is a 5 star?
 
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