Why Tennessee will not hire Ben Howland

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Dudley Smith said:
This is what kills me. The guy has a hit piece article written about him by SI (who only sells magazines by writing such articles) and he's supposedly untouchable, but the same people want to hire a guy under an actual NCAA Show Cause Order!
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Exactly and several elite coaches are shaking their head and stating what the hell is wrong with Tennessee.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
This is what kills me. The guy has a hit piece article written about him by SI (who only sells magazines by writing such articles) and he's supposedly untouchable, but the same people want to hire a guy under an actual NCAA Show Cause Order!
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Exactly; and I'll add I would have taken Pearl back too.
 
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I'm reminded of what Abraham Lincoln said when told that he should fire U.S. Grant for being a drunk. “Ah!” exclaimed Honest Old Abe, “you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?” “We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?” “Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.”

I don't care if Howland is sketchy. His "failures" are better than most of our successes.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
That was in 06,07,08

Take a look at the end of his career.
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Dude he had 2 McDonald's All-American in 2012 alone. You need to clean your glasses my friend. Secondly he finished 1st in the Pac-12 his last year. I don't care what issues he had at UCLA if he can help us win that I say bring him.
 
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I can't read any Howland threads without the song "Ben" by Michael Jackson playing in my head.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I love how some fans, even after being rejected by a 37 year old coach at LA Tech, still think that Tennessee is somehow "above" Ben Howland.
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I wonder if any of tose such fans have ever been outside of Tennessee. They seem to think that the worldends outside of Knoxville.
 
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Howland lost control of his program.
It is hard to lose at UCLA in bball. You actually have to try. Trying to find 3 or 4 high level players to say yes to play in LA is not exactly difficult.
I think his success went to his head. But, maybe he learned from this. NO question what he did at Pitt and UCLA was impressive. But he is definately in the twilight of his career and he really burned some bridges.
You don't think Cal could have gotten him? Yet, I don't think they even gave him a look.
 
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Roustabout said:
Howland lost control of his program.
It is hard to lose at UCLA in bball. You actually have to try. Trying to find 3 or 4 high level players to say yes to play in LA is not exactly difficult.
I think his success went to his head. But, maybe he learned from this. NO question what he did at Pitt and UCLA was impressive. But he is definately in the twilight of his career and he really burned some bridges.
You don't think Cal could have gotten him? Yet, I don't think they even gave him a look.
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He won the Pac 12 his last year and made the NCAAT. Sounds to me like he was turning things back around at UCLA then was canned.
 
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I wish i could remember/find the show or recording of the show i heard on a national radio talk show that had a guy talking about how most (not all) of the Howland stuff was proven false. Do i believe all I hear(radio)? no, but I don't believe all I read either!(SI) We learn from our mistakes they say.
 
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Roustabout said:
Howland lost control of his program.
It is hard to lose at UCLA in bball. You actually have to try. Trying to find 3 or 4 high level players to say yes to play in LA is not exactly difficult.
I think his success went to his head. But, maybe he learned from this. NO question what he did at Pitt and UCLA was impressive. But he is definately in the twilight of his career and he really burned some bridges.
You don't think Cal could have gotten him? Yet, I don't think they even gave him a look.
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How many times has UCLA been to the Final Four since 1976? 5 times and 1980 doesn't count. So, of the 4 appearances since 1976, Howland was responsible for 3. It is much harder to win anywhere, including UCLA, these days.
 
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I would take him in a heart beat over these so called "up and new comers" that keeps getting mentioned in this forum.
 
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You guys should know there's almost no way Tennessee is going to hire a coach at this point with the shaky background of Howland. Remember, the same administration that everyone vowed would never ever ever take another chance on Pearl. The administration that hired Zo and Dooley, the ultimate "safe" choices in regard to any potential NCAA or off court/field issues.

There's no way Howland gets passed over like he did for the jobs that he has without there being something preventing his hiring.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Point being he got caught cheating and left the university with a **** roster and a black eye. Can we nit hire someone wirh some class?
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Why?! That plan has never worked out for us. Arent you tired of losing and being embarrassed year in and year out? Maybe its time we became rebels and had the ballzz to actually hire somebody with no class! Bet we'd be a winning program lol
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You guys should know there's almost no way Tennessee is going to hire a coach at this point with the shaky background of Howland. Remember, the same administration that everyone vowed would never ever ever take another chance on Pearl. The administration that hired Zo and Dooley, the ultimate "safe" choices in regard to any potential NCAA or off court/field issues.

There's no way Howland gets passed over like he did for the jobs that he has without there being something preventing his hiring.
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Only job I am aware of him being passed over for was Marquette. Just because there are job openings doesn't mean he's thrown his hat into the ring for all of them. He can afford to be picky. He wants a destination job.

And He definitely wants the UT job.
 
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Howland's resume is better than Pearls. White and Tyndall's resumes combined aren't as good as Howland's. Everyone wants to talk about UCLA.

When he took over at Northern Arizona, they were coming off 2 coaches in 6 years with a combined record of 43-114, Pat Rafferty went 2-25 in '89-'90.

Howland took them to the Dance for the first time in school history, they went again the year after he left and haven't been back since.

In years 3-5, he won 21 games each season. They've only won 21 games twice since '98-99.

At Pittsburg, he took a team that hadn't been to the dance the six years previous to his arrival, to two consecutive sweet 16's in a four year span, one team finishing 4th and one 9th in the final AP.

I wasn't in favor of Howland at the beginning...when names like Marshall, Smart, Mack, Cronin etc... were getting tossed around, but now we are down to hiring some inexperienced guys like Tyndall, White and Wade.

I could live with those guys, sure...but Howland's sitting right there...doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the expectation is Sweet 16 by year 3, only one of those guys has done it.
 
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steino said:
Only job I am aware of him being passed over for was Marquette. Just because there are job openings doesn't mean he's thrown his hat into the ring for all of them. He can afford to be picky. He wants a destination job.

And He definitely wants the UT job.
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If you look around, the same type of sources saying he wants this job, also said he wanted Cal, and Wake Forrest.
 
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vol66 said:
Howland's resume is better than Pearls. White and Tyndall's resumes combined aren't as good as Howland's. Everyone wants to talk about UCLA.

When he took over at Northern Arizona, they were coming off 2 coaches in 6 years with a combined record of 43-114, Pat Rafferty went 2-25 in '89-'90.

Howland took them to the Dance for the first time in school history, they went again the year after he left and haven't been back since.

In years 3-5, he won 21 games each season. They've only won 21 games twice since '98-99.

At Pittsburg, he took a team that hadn't been to the dance the six years previous to his arrival, to two consecutive sweet 16's in a four year span, one team finishing 4th and one 9th in the final AP.

I wasn't in favor of Howland at the beginning...when names like Marshall, Smart, Mack, Cronin etc... were getting tossed around, but now we are down to hiring some inexperienced guys like Tyndall, White and Wade.

I could live with those guys, sure...but Howland's sitting right there...doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the expectation is Sweet 16 by year 3, only one of those guys has done it.
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I don't doubt his resume. It's his off court issues that are likely throwing up red flags. His inability to land a job right now with this issues seems telling. If Missouri doesn't hire him, what does that tell you ADs are hearing about him? It would mean both Haith and Pearl got jobs before a guy with 3 final fours.
 
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